Talk:Dina (disambiguation)

Requested move 12 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Dina (disambiguation) → Dina – Dina is just a redirect to Dina (disambiguation). No incoming links Special:WhatLinksHere/Dina showing some special meanings. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 07:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Google doesn't show a clear primary topic.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Not a speedy technical request, as usually is the case for unnecessary "(disambiguation)", since Dina was recently moved unilaterally to Dina (given name) by . So this RM would have the effect of endorsing that move as well. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This was another case of splitting disambiguation and given name lists per WP:NAMELIST, it happened on June 9 with a bold move that had no actual explanation. We need to examine this with a modicum of rigor, per WP:DPT.
 * |Dina_(disambiguation) Here are the all-time monthly page views for Dina and the hatnote destination. This new redirect also obscured the WikiNav results for Dina, which now only redirect to those for the old hatnote destination. Those show a small amount of clicks to the Chilean historical secret police and then the Mexican bus manufacturer.
 * Based on this, it's not clear why we should be adding another click to see the biographies, as most of the time the ratio of the traffic that landed at Dina and the traffic that went for the navigation aid is usually like 10 : 1, though most recently it's been a bit smaller, so maybe there's something to ponder.
 * Here are the actual clickstreams from Dina from the archive so we get a better view:


 * So, we can see that readers consistently used the hatnote to access the article about the Chilean secret police, which is DINA. However, the volume there just isn't huge compared to other clicks, and indicated merely a need to add the Chilean article into the hatnote.
 * Thinking a bit about that DINA vs Dina issue, there is usually some overlap in traffic for uppercase/lowercase, but WP:DABCOMBINE is just a guideline, not a policy that would have to be strictly observed. DINA had previously been merged into Dina with this 2016 edit. Maybe that should have been reverted and the two lists kept separate.
 * Let's have a look at overall traffic for all articles named Dina:
 * All-time traffic to all topics linked from Dina (disambiguation)
 * Likewise for old Dina, Dina (given name)
 * Likewise for Dina (surname)
 * Here we can see that Dina Meyer gets 1.5k views/day, Dina Eastwood almost 1.5k views/day, Dina Merrill almost 1k views/day, etc.
 * At the same time, DINA agency gets ~0.1k views/day, and the bus maker gets ~0.05k views/day.
 * For comparison, Dina Pugliese is the article from the list of biographies that has comparable traffic to the Chilean agency, and it's at #14 if I counted right.|Dina_(disambiguation)|Direcci%C3%B3n_de_Inteligencia_Nacional|Dina_Pugliese I absolutely sympathize with the idea that a topic of clear long-term significance should get preference over topics of lesser significance, but if even a random morning TV personality has comparable usage, and then there's 13 more topics with much much more readership ahead of that, then the reader interest just isn't there, and we shouldn't try to manufacture it. An encyclopedia describes, it does not prescribe.
 * So, this change was apparently a bad idea, because we're now prioritizing navigation to minor topics where the overall readership of Dina topics is clearly on the side of people named Dina, but we're hiding those behind yet another extra click. For the average English reader, the word "Dina" is most likely a reference to people named that way, not a reference to the DINA acronym, and navigation should be organized with that in mind.
 * Rather than doing this, we should be thinking how to best organize the list of people named Dina so that we don't bury the lede, so that readers most quickly navigate where the most interest actually lies, which is one of the points of WP:D. This bold move should have just been reverted. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 08:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose and return Dina (given name) to Dina as clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose and move per Necrothesp. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)