Talk:Dinara Safina

Performancet timeline table
Isn't this reversed from the direction in most articles? Is there a wikiproject mini-MoS for such things? Alai 17:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

height
why does it say "5 feet 12"? that's 6 feet.

Her own official website list her height at 6'2", but the WTA site still list 5'11.5" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.198.104 (talk) 07:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Recidence
According to Russian Wikipedia, she currently lives in Monaco, just like her brother. Someone's got to check this. Netrat_msk (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Poor quality of many articles
See here for discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiclover565 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Tennis carrer
Why does this article list the results for practically every one of her competitions? It makes the section cluttered and unapealing. If nobody says anything, I am going to go ahead and remove them and try to clean it up a bit. Snagglepuss (talk) 20:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I object. List here exactly what you would like to remove.  Tennis expert (talk) 21:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Shoe Size
I was just wondering what size (American) shoes Dinara wears. I have a granddaughter who is 13 years old and wears a women's size 14! Is Dinara's foot that long? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.85.172 (talk) 00:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

fansite tag
Please read the information in the tag and at WP:SUMMARY before simply removing information from this article. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you seriously believe that "every match, every score, every tiebreak" she ever played is listed in this article? I believe that exaggerated edit summaries should be avoided because they are unconstructive and don't help anyone to improve articles.  Tennis expert (talk) 12:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I seriously believe that any article I have tagged with fansite needs a lot of work. I think you're making rather a mountain out of a molehill regarding the edit summaries, people seeking to help improve the articles are much more likely to look at the article itself rather than the edit summary history.  I'm not even sure "unconstructive" is a real word.  The real issue is that these articles are way off the standard required to make either good or featured article and that should be the aim for every article here, as I'm sure you'll agree.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for changing your edit summaries to be more constructive. For your edification, you can find "unconstructive" in this online dictionary.  Thanks also for again assuming my bad faith.  When will you stop doing that?  And what Wikipedia policy requires every article to achieve good or featured status?  Tennis expert (talk) 21:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank goodness for American spelling! Nothing suggests articles are required to achieve GA or FA status, but you must agree that we're here to make an excellent encyclopedia and it's generally agreed that both good and featured articles are something we should strive for, not deliberately avoid.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposals for major changes to Career section
It is my opinion that the Career section in the article for the most recent years is appalling. It goes into far, far too much unnecessary detail. There is simply no need to detail every single tournament she plays - what needs to be remembered is that these articles need to be written from the persepective of a retrospective i.e. only including things that will be considered notable at the end of her career. And one must ask whether her second-round loss to Virginie Razzano in Dubai is even notable even now, three months on, let alone whether it will be notable at the end of her career.

Hence, I propose a major streamlining of the Career section. I have already written a full block as my suggestion -- of course, I do not expect this to go completely unchallenged, but I do definitely believe the article should adopt something of this spirit:



2008
Safina endured a poor start to the season, winning just 11 of her first 21 matches, a period that included a loss to World No. 194 Sabine Lisicki in the first round of the Australian Open. Her best result in singles play during this period was a run to the quarterfinals of the Tier I Sony Ericsson Open in Miami, defeating former World No. 1 Lindsay Davenport in the fourth round before losing to Vera Zvonareva. Meanwhile, she won doubles titles at the Mondial Australian Women's Hardcourts in Gold Coast, Australia, partnering Agnes Szavay, and at the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, California, partnering Elena Vesnina.

Safina's breakthrough came at the Tier I Qatar Telecom German Open in Berlin in May. In the third round, she defeated World No. 1 Justine Henin 5–7, 6–3, 6–1, despite never winning a set against the Belgian before. This would transpire to be Henin's last ever match before retiring the following week. Safina then ended Serena Williams's 17-match wining streak with a 2–6, 6–1, 7–6(5) victory. Safina then defeated Victoria Azarenka in the semifinals, before defeating Elena Dementieva 3–6, 6–2, 6–2 to win the first Tier I title of her career.

As a result of her win in Berlin, Safina went into the French Open considered an outside favourite for the title. In the fourth round, she defeated new World No. 1 Maria Sharapova 6–7(6), 7–6(5), 6–2, having saved a match point at 5–3 down in the second set. In the quarterfinals, Safina defeated Dementieva 4–6, 7–6(5), 6–0, after again saving match points at 5–2 down in the second set. Then, in her first Grand Slam semifinal, Safina defeated Svetlana Kuznetsova 6–3, 6–2, before being defeated by Serbia's Ana Ivanovic 6–4, 6–3 in the final. After her run at the French Open, Safina returned to her peak ranking of World No. 9.



On grass, Safina reached the final of the Ordina Open in s'-Hertogenbosch, Netherlands, having defeated Dementieva 6–3, 6–2 in the semifinals, but she then lost to Tamarine Tanasugarn in the final 7–5, 6–3. Seeded ninth at the Wimbledon, Safina lost in the third round to Israeli Shahar Pe'er 7–5, 6–7, 8–6 in 3 hours, 25 minutes. Safina had saved a match point in the second set and served for the match in the third set at 5–4 but was broken. She then went on to lose the match, double faulting on match point.

At the East West Bank Classic in Carson, California in July, Safina defeated top-seeded Jelena Janković in the semifinals before claiming her second title of the year by defeating Flavia Pennetta in the final to win her second title of the year. The following week, Safina won the Tier I Rogers Cup in Montreal, Canada, defeating Dominika Cibulkova in the final. This marked the first time in her career that she had won titles at back-to-back tournaments, and it moved her up to World No. 6, her highest career ranking at the time. She also won the US Open Series as a result of this victory. Representing Russia at the Beijing Olympics, Ssfina was considered one of the favorites for the gold medal. She defeated World No. 1 Jankovic in the quarterfinals in three sets, making her the first player in the history of the WTA Tour to defeat three different reigning World No. 1s in the same year. In the semifinals, she defeated crowd favourite Li Na in straight sets. In the gold medal match, however, Safina lost to Dementieva in three sets. Seemingly in control after winning the first set, Safina served 17 double faults and committed 54 unforced errors en route to her loss. She went into the US Open as the sixth seed and was one of five women who could have taken the World No. 1 ranking, depending on their results in this tournament. However, she lost in the semifinals to the eventual champion Serena Williams, 6–3, 6–2. After this tournament, her ranking rose to a career high of World No. 5.

Safina won her third Tier I title of the season and fourth title overall at the Toray Pan Pacific Open in Tokyo in September, defeating Kuznetsova 6–1, 6–3 in the final. This win moved her up to a new peak of World No. 3, before later briefly becoming the World No. 2 in October. She qualified for the year-ending Sony Ericsson Championships in Doha, Qatar for the first time in her career, but she lost all three of her round robin matches, to Venus Williams, Serena Williams and Dementieva. She finished the season as World No. 3, the first time she had even finished in the world's top 10. She was one of only three women to win four titles during the season, the others being Jankovic and Serena Williams, and was the only woman to win three Tier I titles. Her sudden emergence as a major contender in women's tennis was described by TENNIS.com as "one of the most astonishing overnight transformations in recent tennis memory".

2009
Safina reached the final of her first tournament of the year, the Medibank International in Sydney, but lost there to Elena Dementieva. As the third seed at the Australian Open, Safina defeated Alize Cornet 6–2, 2–6, 7–5 after having been down 5–2 and facing two match points in the third set. Safina went on to defeat seventh seed Vera Zvonareva in the semifinals to reach the second Grand Slam final of her career. However, she lost that to Serena Williams 6–0, 6–3 in 59 minutes. Had Safina won the tournament, she would have assumed the World No. 1 ranking.

Safina had another opportunity to become the World No. 1 at the BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells, California, but she failed in this bid, making 56 unforced errors while losing in the quarterfinals to eighth-seeded Victoria Azarenka 6–7(4), 6–1, 6–3. Safina then squandered yet another chance to take the World No. 1 ranking at the Sony Ericsson Open in Key Biscayne, Florida, losing in the third round.

Safina eventually assumed the World No. 1 ranking on April 20, 2009, as a result of Williams surrendering a large number of ranking points due to not defending her title at the Family Circle Cup in Charleston, South Carolina. Safina became the 19th player, and second Russian after Maria Sharapova, to be ranked World No. 1 by the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour. Safina and her brother Marat Safin are the first ever brother-sister World No. 1 pair, with Safin having been ranked World No. 1 by the ATP World Tour earlier in his career.

Playing her first tournament as the World No. 1, Safina reached the final of the Porsche Tennis Grand Prix in Stuttgart, Germany, but lost there to Svetlana Kuznetsova. She is now due to compete at the Internazionali BNL d'Italia in Rome and the Mutua Madrilena Madrid Open, ahead of the French Open.92.0.235.202 (talk) 15:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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Musiclover565 (self-admitted), also known as Wikitestor, your proposal would do great harm to the article. The length of the article is fine per Wikipedia guidelines. See WP:PRESERVE. Tennis expert (talk) 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 92.0.235.202, I think we should continue to focus on one article at a time (though it's now turned into two, with Serena and Sharapova). You're more than welcome to continue editing here, but the Serena article especially still needs some work and fine tuning. Alonsornunez  Comments  11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Out of date tag
Due to the sports tickertape style in which this (and most other modern tennis bios are written, parts of it are out of date. The "career" section is updated on a daily basis to accentuate the news feel of the article while the excessively detailed tables following are not in step.  Please see WP:SUMMARY and ensure the main article is consistent.  The Rambling Man (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Safina or Safin?
Why her family name is Safina and her bother's family name is Safin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.36.190.155 (talk) 14:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Russian surnames distinguish between males and females. A surname ending in a consonant takes a final 'a' (with some exceptions) when designating a woman. Hence Anna Karenina's husband is Alexei Alexandrovich Karenin. ANB (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

World number 1 - deserved?
Recently Safina's World Number 1 status was criticized in a lot of press, generating quite a lot of debate, because she hadn't won a slam; including calls for the ranking system to be revised. I think this should be mentioned, if somebody fancies grabbing a few high profile news articles about it. &mdash;MDCollins (talk) 00:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It is mentioned in passing (see the Wimbledon 2009 bit), but I agree it should probably be covered in a bit more detail because, as you said, there's been a lot of debate about it. Anyway, the second source there seems to have quite a bit of material about it. Should it be put into a completely different section though? I've been doing some work on this article to try and improve it and I don't really want to crowd the yearly summaries bit too much, especially since there's quite a bit there already... Jetblackheart (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

"Russian Muslims"?
Should this page really fall in the Russian Muslims category? While that is her family's ancestral faith, Safina herself is not religious.

Funnyhat (talk) 04:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Is there any source that she is not a Muslim? when a person borns in Muslim family it is consider that he or she is muslim unless they have told that they're not by themeselve not Infidels, jews or christians.

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