Talk:Dinnerladies (TV series)

Caps
When Dinnerladies is advertised it will always be shown with a small d. Why?
 * I think that's what Victoria Wood wanted Tim! (talk) 18:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm still writing summaries of the 2nd series' episodes - if anyone thinks I've missed out anything important then please add it! By the way, does anyone think it's worth adding a quotes section?? -- Habasi 01:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Quotes should go on wikipedia's sister-project Wikiquote Tim! (talk) 18:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks for that. Will try that out after I've done the rest of the episodes (which of course means watching them all again!!) Habasi 19:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Initial capital
Although the BBC website capitalises the first letter of the title, all the DVDs, audio cassettes, CDs, videos and books released in connection with the series spell the name without a capital letter. This is referred to in a news article on the BBC website here. I think this is a pretty good case for using the lower-case letter - does anyone not agree? Habasi 15:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

canceled??
does anybody know why the BBC stopped after just 2 series? did they cancel it or did victoria wood stop writing? Martinurquhart 21:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Victoria Wood deliberately ended at the point it was most successful. Peteb16 21:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Live studio audience
I have undone the edit removing the reference to a live studio audience because a) it left the sentence in an ungrammatical and meaningless state and b) filming in front of a live audience is used, I believe, for productions filmed with the audience present as distinct from productions which are filmed on set (or on location) and then shown to a studio audience, whose responses can then be dubbed onto the soundtrack. Not sure what the latter is called, since it is the cast who are not there, not the audience. Then of course there is "canned laughter", which is when the audience is really not present. Rachel Pearce (talk) 18:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

D v. d
Before an edit war breaks out I think we should discuss this. I always knew it as "dinnerladies" - it always appeared as such at the beginning of the programme and is shown thus on all of the DVD boxes. Does anyone know why the BBC has recverted to "Dinnerladies"? Rachel Pearce (talk) 11:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I doubt the BBC has done anything as concious as 'revert'. Most likely it's just whoever typed it up didn't know better and capitalised it. It's a small d on the show titles, which should be enough. Ged UK (talk) 14:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What difference does a DVD cover make? This is an encyclopedia, not a shop floor or a fan site. The standard logo for Doctor Who uses all capitals, but we do not write "DOCTOR WHO" because it is a logo; it does not follow the standard rules of English. We do, as explained at Manual of Style (trademarks): "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, regardless of the preference of the trademark owner." I find it amusing that the BBC was cited as a source when it agreed with the lowercase 'd' position, but as soon as it started to follow the rules of proper English, it suddenly became an a source to ignore. "Dinnerladies" at the BBC, "Dinnerladies" at UK Gold, "Dinnerladies" at IMDb, "Dinnerladies" in The Guardian, "Dinnerladies" in the Manchester Evening News, even "Dinnerladies" at the British Sitcom Guide you link to. We use the capital D because it is bad grammar not to. We do not follow the stylistic whims of logo designers. Mcmullen writes (talk) 22:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Victoria Wood has publicly said it is dinnerladies and that she used the small d deliberately 90.249.200.87 (talk) 16:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

The Wikiquote link...
Is broken. The Wikiquote page is just 'dinnerladies' - https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dinnerladies

I don't know how to fix the template, or I'd do it myself. Porterjoh (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 3 May 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. I have already made Dinnerladies a redirect to Lunch lady per and. (closed by non-admin page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Dinnerladies (TV series) → Dinnerladies – No need for disambiguation. Basic title is a redirect to disambiguated title, with history which prevents simple move. Possibly controversial as page was moved in reverse direction in 2016 Pam  D  10:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


 * queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not uncontroversial, the target is also a common name for the profession at the centre of the series. This needs discussion first. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Spelling the profession as one word is rare outside of the series. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose while the option exists to have a gap, dinnerlady is still the primary topic of dinnerladies. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What does the removal of (TV series) from a a TV series achieve anyway? Per WP:CRITERIA titles are supposed to be recognisable. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:CRITERIA, "The title is no longer than necessary". 188.143.76.193 (talk) 23:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per IIO - The term is more associated with dinnerlady than the TV programme, IMHO would be nonsensical to move and I'm rather surprised to see this RM here. – Davey 2010 Talk 21:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

That erroneous “d”
I corrected the “Dinnerladies” page so that its title had a capital letter. The edit was reverted, so the name of the series is recorded as “dinnerladies”. This is wrong.

Yes: the name of the series is “styled” with a lower-case ‘D’. That is true. But that doesn’t stop “Dinnerladies” from being a proper noun. Proper nouns in English take capital letters, and nothing can change that. KD Lang can use lower-case letters, but she is just as grammatically wrong as PWC suggesting its name is ‘PwC’. Its logo may look like that, but that is as far as it goes.

The airline Easyjet is another case. Correctly, and unarguably, it is “The British airline Easyjet”. “British” must start with a capital ‘B’; Easyjet with a capital ‘E’. The capital ‘J’ in the company logo, as well as the initial ‘e’ are matters for the logo; not the English language and its grammar.

The point of grammar I am making here is that proper nouns stake capital letters — always and absolutely. So the series is called “Dinnerladies” just as much as I am called “Tim” and to call me or refer to me as “tim” is just plain wrong.

Victoria Wood was practically a deity, but even she cannot amend Shakespeare’s — and our   — Preceding unsigned comment added by CenfusRex (talk • contribs) 13:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First of all, new discussions belong at the bottom of the page, not the top. Second, the series is styled dinnerladies and the article follows this styling (not Shakespeare, who to my limited knowledge hasn't yet setup a wikipedia account to contribute his opinion. 13:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CenfusRex, arguments like these have happened before and the community has come to a consensus that the stylized use of a lowercase initial letter is to be respected. See this excerpt from Wikipedia's guidelines. It identifies the "problem" of not being able to display such letters in the main title used in the URL, implying that ideally it would be honored. Note that articles in the Wikipedia namespace like the one I linked reflect community consensus. If you disagree with the consensus position you are more than welcome to express your opinion and change the consensus. However these discussions should ideally take place not on the talk pages / edit history of individual articles, but here: Village_pump_(policy). TomFitz77 (talk) 22:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Are really that arrogant tim? Victoria Wood made it clear that the title of the show is dinnerladies (small d) and that it was a deliberate decision. 90.249.200.87 (talk) 16:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)