Talk:Diptera

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I was looking at the Diptera page and the columns overlap in my browser. I am fairly new to Wikipedia, and don't know enough about the language to know what causes this, but perhaps it is a simple fix for someone with more experience. Anyone?


 * Mine works out OK. You might try experimenting with your user preferences. or making sure that you are using a full width screen.  How bad is the overlap?  &#9774; Eclecticology 15:13, 2003 Oct 19 (UTC)

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Taxobox
When the taxobox was set up it was based on Rohdendorf's The Historical Development of Diptera because it happened to be convenient. Rohdendorf's approach was especially influenced by paleontological considerations, and this does not appear to be entirely suitable for dealing with living species. The current revision is based primarily on material on The Diptera Site, The Tree of Life Project and the Bishop Museum Catalog, with help from other sites when treatment by these sites were inconsistent or in conflict. As of 2003-08-14 that revision has been done for the Brachycera, and is being planned for the Nematocera whose presentation remains based on Rohdendorf. The symbol ¤ in the taxobox is transitional to indicate what part of the work has been completed.

Family names
The list of family names was originally created before the taxobox; families in the list... marked with a plus sign are extinct. Reconciliation of the names in it has progressed in conjunction with the revision of the taxobox. What remains after the revision is essentially a list of synonyms.

The Fly article vs this one? Where to look for general fly information?
Since fly is more like the common name for insects of the order Diptera, couldn't that article simply be redirected to this one, with this one also getting the content from Fly? All content in Fly (basically just about maggots) should apply to this one as well, or? Or am I missing out something, and the practice in Wikipedia is otherwise with reasons to have separate articles for common and scientific names?

I was just surprised that Fly was mostly a minor introduction + information about maggots and that no other information had been added to this extremely common insect. So I went to this one, and then got basically a long list of family names that felt hard to navigate unless you're studying biology. :-) Any thoughts? Could things be made easier and more accessible for people like me who just want to find out general information about flies and, say, their biology? Things insects of this order have pretty much in common?

I even don't really know where to add this information if I were to do it myself. Jugalator 19:16, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)

Edit: Maybe what's needed mostly is synonyms ("common" names) added to the list of species. It would help a lot, but I'm still not sure about what purpose the separate fly article serves.

Infraorder tree
I'm not sure it should be put in the article, so... --PuzzletChung 06:43, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Suborder Archidiptera
 * Infraorder Nymphomyiomorpha
 * Infraorder Dictyodipteromorpha (extinct)
 * Infraorder Diplopolyneuromorpha (extinct)
 * Suborder Eudiptera
 * Infraorder Deuterophlebiomorpha
 * Infraorder Tipulomorpha
 * Infraorder Culicomorpha - mosquitoes, etc.
 * Infraorder Bibionomorpha
 * Suborder Brachycera
 * Infraorder Orthorrhapha
 * Infraorder Cyclorrhapha
 * Infraorder Muscomorpha

love bug
love bug was an orphaned page. I tracked it down to here. Should it be linked to from this page, or from Bibionidae? --BAxelrod 02:40, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Diptera versus flies
These two articles should be merged. Diptera is largely technical so the best heading is flies.Notafly 13:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * But the common usage of "fly" does not include mosquitoes, gnats and midges. Nurg 04:26, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree to merging. The common usage can be explained in the merged article. sentausa 13:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I do not agree (see above and below) - and propose a de-merge after discussion on policy. Why are 2 pages so difficult? Roy Bateman (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Inconsistent classification
The taxobox uses suborders Archidiptera and Eudiptera. The article uses Nematocera. Whose classifications are these? How are they related? Which is preferred?

This article should describe both systems, but we should pick one for use in taxoboxes for consistency. Gdr 22:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Eudiptera = Nematocera?
The taxon box indicates so; but if so, then why there are two separate articles (both stubs) for each? Shouldn´t them be merged, if these are realy synonyms? PS.: The comment above mentions "archidiptera", which is not mentioned in the article anymore...according with its own article, does not seems to be a synonym with eudiptera or nematocera, however... --Extremophile 05:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is this a redirect?
Whose idea was it to make this page redirect to the flies?!? What about gnats and mosquitoes?!? What about the people who want to analyze this order as a whole?!? --Luigifan (talk) 14:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Luigifan - this 'dumbing down' of WP is quite an issue - I think it needs to be discussed at the naming policy page. Roy Bateman (talk) 13:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)