Talk:Dirk Nowitzki/Archive 1

Picture
Is there anyone who has an picture which cold be added to the article? Perhaps someone could take a pic at the next Mavs game. 80.228.168.252 11:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Dirk Nowitzki Summer 2004 129.217.129.133 22:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps this image from the Dallas Mavericks Entry would be appropriate for this page.

Copyright tag must be added to the current photo. --Schadenfreude52 21:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Given a choice, we should always use free images rather than fair use. Borisblue 05:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Mismatches
Why did someone take away the mismatches Dirk creates and his past troubles with a smaller defender? It was a bit "fawny" yes, but it was necessary and just needed some streamlining -- and taking it all off because "it's your page" is reminiscent of a possessive 8-year-old girl.

And although Dirk did improve defensively, citing a game wherein he collected a large number of blocks is an ignorant and fallacious example. After all, he was more of a shotblocking machine in his previous seasons than this year -- so going by that logic, his defense has regressed given that his block numbers went down. I don't know if you wrote that but I'm surprised you're not taking any action on that paragraph.


 * I think the overall tone of your first paragraph is biased in favor of Nowitzki. I think Dirk's a great player but it seems a bit much, like something that would be in a media guide, and it's hyperbolic in spots ("mastery", "dead-eye", "impossible", "nightmare"). Also, I don't believe you've actually added any new ideas to the original content; you've only restated what was originally there. "Most unique big men" is horrible grammar, and it's also a subjective claim and should be appropriately cited. The 2nd paragraph smells like original research to me. Granted, one could say that about the whole section, but I think the original content is careful only to recap what has already been said in the article. For instance, he has already been established as a great shooter by his percentages mentioned in the previous section, which is a fairly simple claim that casual fans would be familiar with. Your statements about his playing style are pretty specific and should be backed up with a source. Simishag 05:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I added a blurb there about the Nowitzki-Traylor deal being pre-arranged. I wonder if you'll take that off as well. Marikina 23:22, May 23, 2006


 * The NBA.com source looks ok to me, it says "pre-arranged." I don't know about "many fans consider most lopsided." It sounds pretty subjective. Simishag 05:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough in all points; I apologize. Except that I didn't put "many fans consider most lopsided". Marikina 08:54, May 24, 2006.

Hasselhoff
Is the Hasselhoff part really necessary? Don't you think that comment is stereotyping Germans? Dirk doesn't constantly think about Hasselhoff music just because he's German. (Mschonert 18:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC))


 * Thats interesting, I didn't know that Hasselhoff is or was a star in Germany and I live there. He sold records like dozens of other "stars", end of story. --83.135.171.84 15:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And to add, there is a strong misbelief from Hasselhoff and most US citizens, that he had anything to do with reunification, he had absolutely nothing to do with it, but i dont want to blame ur superstition, so keep thinking that. lol --83.135.171.84 15:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The German American David Hasselhoff is very well known as singer in germany, why is another question, but just like the popular Engelbert Humperdinck (singer) - with such a proud German name, we Germans just have to love them ... ;-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.106.9 (talk) 01:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

NBA Record not true
Dirk did hold the NBA record for most Free Throws made during an NBA playoffs.

Until game 6 of the Finals when Dwayne Wade broke it. Wade finished with 207 free throws made. In the exact same number of games as Dirk, but with significantly more attempts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.117.157.66 (talk • contribs) 17:39, July 7, 2006

Military service
"Nowitzki was sporadically recruited by U.S. colleges as a teenager in Germany, and seriously considered attending Pennsylvania State University, but those plans were dashed when he was drafted into a civil service regiment of the German military, where he served from September 1, 1997 to June 30, 1998." --> This must be wrong. There doesn`t exist anything like a "civil service regiment of the German military". At the Age of 18/19, you are either drafted to military OR you choose to spend your time at some kind of Civil Service, but this takes place outside any form of military organization. --81.209.214.173 03:28, September 5, 2006


 * I ran a check and found that he actually did "normal" military service from September '97. Have tried to adjust things accordingly. --Ondundozonananandana


 * That is correct, Nowitzki served as a normal German soldier (Soldat) in the Bundeswehr, Boot Camp, sharpshooting and the rest. He served in a sportive company (Sportkompanie) and was able to play Basketball in Würzburg (DJK Würzburg), most points, most rebounds, and, because of Nowitzki, Würzburg climbed from the second national league to the Premier League (Erste Bundesliga). He left the Army after honorable discharge as "Obergefreiter" = corporal! Like every German, he can be called to duty at any time, to serve or refresh skills ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.106.9 (talk) 01:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

West Germany
I see a need to change West Germany to Germany, like in most Articles. Technically, West Germany stopped existing when Germany was reunificated. Articles that refer to US cities do not use Conferated States... when giving the geographic location, just to clarify my case. It might even be considered offensive if used for citizens from either eastern or western parts of Germany. Some0body 15:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Technically, West Germany stopped existing when Germany was reunificated - Well, Nowitzki was born in 1978; BEFORE reunification, if you are talking "technically". And in regards to factual and accurate information being potentially offensive (in this case what possible offense could be derived, anyways?), if offense is taken, it is the reader's problem, not the article's. E.g. the Wikipedia article on Cannibalism is offensive to some people - shall we have it removed?--203.214.91.215 16:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to Germany. There's only one Würzburg. If there were two of them, like Frankfurt, i would agree with you. And the term West-Germany implies that there are still two german states, which is not true.--Ph4nky 19:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, the term West Germany implies there was a state thusly named back in 1978, which is not untrue. --203.214.32.253 14:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I still don't agree with you. Look up other german personalities who were born in so called "West Germany". Most of the articles use the term "Germany" not "West Germany". But I suggest to change it to "West Germany, now Germany" like in the Detlef Schrempf article.--Ph4nky 19:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Technically neither West Germany nor Germany are correct. Nowitzki was born in the Federal Republic of Germany, that incorporated the five new Bundesländer (states) after reunification (cf. here). So the country in which Würzburg lies never changed its name since 1978. It is only ever since reunification that people refer to the FRG as Germany since the opposing GDR doesn't exist any longer (see here "Since, the current 16-state Federal Republic of Germany is simply called Germany.". Therefore, there is no ambiguity in writing Germany as it nowadays only refers to the FRG - the country in which Nowitzki was born. --Jellotrees 09:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, why did someone change it back? Don't turn this bit into an edit war - just read and check what I wrote above. I presume the person changing it is not from Germany. To every German it immediately catches the eye - there never was a country called 'West Germany'. That's like calling someone that was born in Florida prior to the incorporation of Alaksa in 1959, a person born in 'South Eastern North America'. (cf "Western Germany (Westdeutschland) is mainly used today as a geographic term." So, as to the Florida guy - you would say USA, right?. So use FRG or for the reasons set out above: Germany.  --Jellotrees

Um, right...
"Nowitzki has been quoted as saying,"Some day, I wish to be 1/300th as good as Steve Nash, who is certainly the greatest player in the history of basketball."

I have no idea if the quote is accurate, but even if it is: 1) It was clearly a joking comment made by Dirk about his good friend Nash. 2) What the hell is this doing in an article about Dirk Nowitzki? And in the first paragraph, no less? Are you kidding?

I'm unregistered, so normally, I'd just voice my complaints and let someone else decide what to do. But this is too idiotic. I'm taking it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.168.144 (talk • contribs) 04:49, February 11, 2007

Dirk's last name?
Nowitzki sounds like a slavic surname. Could his father have been Polish or a Czech? Manic Hispanic 07:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

From 2001 until 2003 a politician named Gennadi Nowitzki was prime minister of Belarus. 87.168.92.74 06:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Nowitzki is a slavic surname. But in Germany are slavic surnames common. --195.243.248.124 14:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

My grandfather has theorized that Dirk's Grandfather was a Polish DP during the war, and never moved back to Poland after the war. I have no evidence for this, though, besides what he theorized. Just a possibility. I'm anxious to know the answer. Kirobaito 22:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Kirobaito


 * As pointed out above slavic surnames are very common in Germany. No doubt he has some slavic ancestors but this may be many generations back. The borders between german speaking and slavic speaking countries have been very ill-defined in the past centuries and until fairly recently (WW2) did not coincide with the language divisions.193.109.51.162 08:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nowitzki is SLAVIC although the surname derives from what we now know as "Germany" but was part of the slavic lands over 1000 years. Nowitzki is slav as as they get - sorry for the rest of you ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.106.9 (talk) 01:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Again: Slavic names are very common in Germany. In fact the population of Germany has always been ethnically and culturally highly diverse - that was the reason why it historically took so long ( till 1990 ) to form a coherent German nation. --Sushi Leone 02:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Where did the page go?
Did anyone else notice that Dirk's entire page has been deleted? 75.32.83.41 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

2007 MVP
"* Season MVP:2007" was added and then removed. This information is in the National Basketball Association Most Valuable Player Award article. I found and added an ESPN reference there. Should it not be added and referenced in the Dirk Nowitzki article as well? — Athaenara 04:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait until the official announcement. Wikipedia is about verifiability first and foremost. --Madchester 13:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, it shouldn't be put on until it's official Z3u2 23:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

2007 NBA Most Valuable Player
He won the award, there should be a section about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.221.173 (talk • contribs) 20:52, May 11, 2007 (UTC)

Where is the mention of his chokejob against Golden State?
Where is the mention of that series now that you think about it? Manic Hispanic 02:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

This page is so flattering to Nowitzki even though it was widely mocked when he won the MVP after his playoff performance against Golden State (arguably the worst performance by a "superstar" in NBA History) and also makes no mention of his poor play in last years finals Uncle evil 01:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes Exactly, It reads like a fan page! Manic Hispanic 18:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Without Dirk the Mavs would have struggled to reach the playoffs the last four or five years. He was the one that the team relied on when it did not work perfectly, because he always played at least very good. The best proof for this is the playoff performance against Golden State. It was not just Dirk who did not reach his normal shape. Except Jason Terry, everybody in the team playrd sh**. And one could see that if Dirk was not there, the team cannot fill the gap. Maybe he could not cope with the pressure on him after playing such a great regular season. And one should not forget that if one knows how to beat Nowitzki, it is Don Nelson! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.133.249.219 (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * All concerns solved by the rewrite. Chensiyuan (talk) 14:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Bold rewrite
Happy new year folks, and I have done another bold rewrite to put this article near GA level. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is now undergoing a peer review. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Link's here. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Too much detail of games
Way too much on every playoff series he's seemingly ever been involved in. Also, at the beginning of the article it states that his father represented Finland in international handball competition; at the very bottom, it states that both his father and mother represented Germany in international handball. Could someone clarify this, one way or the other? Critic9328 (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Specific examples of excessive detail would be helpful. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Jörg Werner Nowitzki is German, 100% sure. About the detail level, examples would be helpful. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 08:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

GA on hold
On first glance, this article looks very good, and it didn't disappoint. It could have been easy to pass it straightaway. However, I'm going to put it on hold with the following comments.
 * I'd like to see a pronounciation of his full name, not just the surname.
 * Done —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * per WP:DATE, his place of birth shouldn't be in the brackets at (born ...)
 * I think one of you two resolved this? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't link Gynamsium in Röntgen Gymnasium grammar school, and also reckon it should have captial G and S. Plus I can't find this fact anywhere in the main article.
 * unlinked. or should it be delinked. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there articles for Robert Garrett, Marvin Willoughby and Demond Greene? If so add wikilinks in the "Early years" section
 * Nope; there's one for Greene, but not the relevant Greene.
 * Is 36:4, 2:0, 0:2 are correct format? I prefer endashes, but if : is officially used then leave it as it is.
 * Yes, in Germany (!) the notation is 2:0, 1:1 and 0:2. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "(back then, a victory gave 2:0 points and a loss 0:2)" Back then sounds so informal and slang. I would change this to (in 19xx, ...) or (until xxxx, ...)
 * Changed. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Be aware of WP:MOSNUM. See Exceptions: "Within a context or a list, style should be consistent" There are a few instances of numbers being inconsistent. I don't particularly agree with this exception and agree with the style adopted in this article. E.g. "he joined team captain Finley as only one of two Mavericks to play and start in all 82 games and had ten games in which he scored at least 30 points." Ought to be 10 not ten.
 * I'm also not particularly persuaded by this exception; one might adopt a wider view of "consistency" and argue that so long as every number <10 is spelled and vice versa (save for score lines), consistency is achieved. But this is not the place to quibble, and since this exception exists, I've changed from ten to 10. Sharp eyes though. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Nowitzki only scored 11 points and was ejected after angrily kicking over a load of towels." Again I think a load of towels is informal. I'd changed to something along the line of pile of towels, though it depends how the towels were laid out, I suppose!
 * For this point I'd really have to leave it to Onomatopoeia. If Sauer used such language, then I suppose "load" can stay. Although I think Onomatopoeia won't quite care if it's changed to "pile", but I shan't preempt him. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "as nba.com put it" again a bit informal. I prefer something like "according to nba.com"
 * rephrased; full sentence is now "After losing Game 6, Dallas won Game 7 convincingly and won the series even though Nowitzki struggled with his shooting.[nba ref]"
 * "In the 2006–07 NBA season, Nowitzki played his best regular season ever." I've no doubt this is correct, but it might be best to define how it was his best straight away and add a reference.
 * rephrased to "The 2006–07 NBA season was to be the one Nowitzki would be named the league's Most Valuable Player." (reference not inserted as it is provided earlier in the article)
 * "Nowitzki and his team suffered a debacle of historic proportions." This definitely needs a reference.
 * I thought it was redundant because it *was* the first time ever that a #8 seed knocked out the #1 seed in the NBA. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Let me know when you've finished with everything. Happy editing. Peanut4 (talk) 22:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If i were to object to this statement it'd be that the language is a little dramatic lol. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Chensiyuan. Saying debacle, suggests the Mavericks lost because of their shortcomings, rather than Golden State being worthy winners. "Debacle of historic proportions" needs a reference. Peanut4 (talk) 22:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay no more debacle; that statement was intended to be a preface of sorts I suppose, but if this goes beyond GA there'd probably be a gripe with the statement again and I think no meaning is lost with its removal. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "In an ironic twist of fate, Nowitzki was named the NBA's Most Valuable Player a week after his embarrassing defeat." Ditto with the reference, particularly to embarrassing defeat.
 * Rephrased, it is an "historic defeat" (but embarassing also, but not WP-worthy). —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "The 7–0 forward." I know this is what the source says, but according to the MOS, it ought to be "The 7ft forward"
 * As there are various heights mentioned in this article, I'd like to take a look at the specific branch of MOS. I can't quite find it though, would you mind providing a link? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of the personal life reads the same as early years.
 * Have deleted repeated information about his athletic family from the person life section. Specifically, I've shifted info about her sister to the "early years" section. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reference for the "Books" section?
 * As in, to verify that the book is published? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi we meet again; thanks for taking time to review this, I've replied to some of your comments, but I'd let the principal editor of this article reply to most of the remaining ones. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Great work so far. Peanut4 (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there Peanut, as the main editor I applaud your evaluations. I added a few things, and if there is anything left, just poke Chensiyuan or me. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Wording
After reading through the article, I realized that much of the article could be greatly improved with simple minor wording, grammar, and sentence structure changes, and I have begun to make some of these changes. If you like, please comment on them and suggest/make your own. -- Shruti14 t c s 17:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Copyediting appreciated =) Chensiyuan (talk) 23:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

GAC
Dirk is now a good article nominee, as seen above. Feedback is appreciated. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ - now a GA!! -- Shruti14 t c s 03:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

GA Pass
The article was close to GA Pass when I came across it. Improvements have been made to MOS, grammar, and remove any slight POV. To be honest, I doubt it's far off a push for FAC, and I'd suggest getting a Peer Review, particularly among other Basketball editors, to see what improvements could be made.
 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Well done. Peanut4 (talk) 23:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks once again for reviewing - and passing this. I'm sure Onomatopoeia would be interested in taking this article up the next level too. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reviewing. I'd love to help bring this article to the next level as well. -- Shruti14 t c s 03:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Woohoo!! Thanks for the thorough review. With FAC, I would first incorporate the suggestions from the peer review (see above) and then make the big jump. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

A bit scary...
A bit scary... I know. Should it be included in the article, though? The DMN is a trusted respective source, but this is speculative. It currently isn't included, but should it? Basketball110 My story/Tell me yours 23:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My take is that generally no for trade speculation. But I mean if there are enough signs that point to a trade then maybe. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Q
"Finally, he is also considered one of the game's premier clutch performers, hitting several game-winning shots in his career."

Since when? 23:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.snipes (talk • contribs)

List of career achievements by Dirk Nowitzki
Isn't this information already in this article? -- R OGER D AVIES  TALK 11:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A remerge is a bad idea IMHO. Long lists are frowned upon in articles. This article would look horrible with the long long list remerged back in. —Onomatopoeia 13:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If only there was some way to "hide" the information like how you can show/hide templates... that would be ideal. Chensiyuan (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No can do, per WP:ACCESS. If we could source it and make it presentable, like Portland Trail Blazers accomplishments and records, then it would be much better. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

That list is utter Wikipedia:fancruft, merge pertinent info here, delete the rest and make it a redirect. The Ogre (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The information in the list was already in this article. I removed the list and added a redirect. Jminthorne (talk) 05:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Arrest at home
I don't understand what confirmation you're looking for. It is established by verifiable sources that this woman was arrested at his house. This is a major story. If you search for Dirk's name in Google, this story occupies almost all the hits on the first page. So how can it not be mentioned anywhere on his Wikipedia page? - 68.51.43.195 (talk) 05:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * An encyclopedia is not a news service -- what harm is there in waiting for a full development of the story before deciding on its inclusion? Chensiyuan (talk) 05:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why wait? And what exactly constitutes "full development of the story"?  There are many facts about the case already known and notable.  According to Wikipedia's guidelines they can be included and you've given no reason why they shouldn't.  As the story develops, more facts can be added.  Right now, this is the biggest story in his life and probably will be for some time.  For it not to be even mentioned here is just ridiculous.  -68.51.43.195 (talk) 06:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No further comment needed. Chensiyuan (talk) 02:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I found an update on this part of his life Nowitzki's ex-girlfriend gets five-year prison term, USAtoday, August 24, 2009 Covergaard (talk) 04:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Commercial
"I do it for the kids" when he did a commercial for snickers I believe this was years ago late 1990's early 2000's.--Cooly123 13:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Dirk accepting offer
I think someone should include that Dirk willingly took less money than he could have received in exchange for assurances that the Mavericks will use that financial flexibility to ramp up their efforts to acquire a top-tier sidekick. Props for staying loyal. 87.165.181.107 (talk) 12:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't do nearly good enough job explaining dirk's abilities and major stats
His all-time great type perfomrances that put him up with the all time greats of the game should be mentioned including the lede. His profile is incredibly poorly written, and appears to be written by someone who doesn't know much about bball. I intended to fix some of this but suddenly can't edit it anymore. As written, it looks more like someone trying to downplay everything about his career and abilities. Whatzinaname (talk) 10:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Must have been my browser or something. Works now and i can edit. Anyway, just realized this had GA status, so, I don't know now. Already had some stuff to profile and just a couple of stats in the lede. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatzinaname (talk • contribs) 10:28, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

A little racist?
I noticed that it said during section 3.2 that it mentioned the word 'German' many times. Maybe this should be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellsprout723d (talk • contribs) 00:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is that racist? Chensiyuan (talk) 01:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Is is now considered racist to mention someone's country of origin too many times per paragraph? Would't be surprised.

To me it just looked like it could mention it less. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellsprout723d (talk • contribs) 00:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Where exactly would you suggest a "German" should go away?

You should call him Nazi a few times here or there to see if anyone notices —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.128.156 (talk) 02:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 98.248.177.40, 10 June 2011
The delete "personal attack on BLP subject removed" from the first sentence in this entry.

98.248.177.40 (talk) 03:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

It should be gone - if it's not, you probably have a caching issue. The vandalism was deleted by cluebot within a minute of being posted. Kevin (talk) 03:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll watchlist the article to make sure we don't get any more vandalism tonight. Thanks! Dayewalker (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Dirk the white guy
I find this point under the 2002-03 season completely unnecessary:

By averaging 25.1 points (the highest by a white player since the 25.9 average of Chris Mullin in 1992–93), he became the first European to score 2,000 points in a season, and it was also the first time by a white player since Chris Mullin in 1991–92.[2] 

By all means, mentioning him as the first European player to do such-and-such is notable, but "white player"? Ridiculous for an article of this magnitude.--Chimino (talk) 14:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've removed the three instances of "highest by a white player" in the article. Nothing about his race was mentioned in the citations given, and such information would not be taken seriously in any encyclopedia, or general sports discussion for that matter.--Chimino (talk) 02:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Only All Star to win a championship
"making him one of only five players in NBA history to win the championship while being the only NBA All-Star on the team. "

This is wrong... both Jason Kidd and Caron Butler ( both his current teammates) were all stars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.4.141 (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I think this is not wrong, cause Kidd and Butler are not "actual 2010-11" All Stars. The text states "while beeing" ?!
 * It's not wrong. well, I think it's actually only 4 people who have done it I think, not 5. You are only an all-star if you are an all-star, pretty simple. A former all-star is just a former all-star.Whatzinaname (talk) 02:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Exclusive club
Dirk is one of only 11 players in NBA history to be an NBA champion, Finals MVP, Regular season MVP and a 10-time All-star. I have posted this three times to the website and had it taken off by a user who insists on an edit war. I will now repost the original information back on the page, along with the names of the other 10 members of this club; if the aforementioned user has an issue with hit, he/she can talk civilly with me instead of manipulating an admin to post threatening messages on my userpage. Thank you. Shotcallerballerballer (talk) 14:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with the previous reversions, that's too much detail in that section. There's no need to make a list of everyone the subject of an article shares a record with, even if it is a significant list.


 * The editor was warning you about Wikipedia's policy on edit warring, and how just reverting without discussion can result in a block. I've reverted you on the page, please continue the discussion here and try and make your point and gain consensus before readding. Dayewalker (talk) 15:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There should be a mention that he is in that "Elitegroup" but the names are just too much detail. Kante4 (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, the mention of being in an elite group of 10 players was already in the article. I (along with another editor) have reverted his multiple attempts to add all 10 names as I felt it was unnecessary to the article's subject (Dirk Nowitzki). Adding all 10 names of the group would be more appropriate on a page for NBA record-holders or such, not each individual member of that group.--Chimino (talk) 21:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Is Dirk now a 10x or 11x All Star
4 times 1st team, 5 times 2nd team and 2 times third team = 11 ?

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All NBA and All Star Game selections are different awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.9.165.4 (talk) 19:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

German Sportsman of the Year
Could someone please add to the "Career highlights and awards"-box that Nowitzki was voted German Sportsman of the Year 2011? See: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Sports/Basketball/2011/Dec-19/157315-dirk-nowitzki-named-germanys-sportsman-of-the-year.ashx#axzz1gyz6Idjb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeromancer44 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kante4 (talk) 13:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

New Section "NBA career highlights/achievements"
The article about Dirk Nowitzki misses a section, that almost any other article about a famous NBA-Player features, a section about NBA career achievements. In this section all the highlights could be listed that don't fit into the "Carrer highlights and awards"-box at top, e.g. that Dirk is one of only five players in the 50-40-90-Club, or that he is the only player with 150 threepointers and 100 blocks in a single season. As a reader you have to search for those non-award-highlights in the text so it's not very eye-catching. I suggest to have a look at other NBA-Player-articles, e.g. Steve Nash, Charles Barkley, etc. There you have the awards at top and the highlights in a neatly arranged section below. The german article about Nowitzki features such a great section. Would be great if this could be adjusted. Thanx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeromancer44 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Career highlights: German national basketball team
Dirk was NOT the top scorer of the 2006 FIBA World Championship and was NOT part of the all-tournament team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.100.98 (talk) 21:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Facts in Section 3.1
The oft-cited book by Holger Sauer seems to contain some mistakes:

Detlef Schrempf, who was a 35-year old veteran player of the Portland Trail Blazers when his young compatriot arrived.

Schrempf was still with the Seattle Supersonics when Nowitzki joined the Mavericks. Actually, Dallas played Seattle in Dirk's very first NBA game. Boxscore 1999-02-05

''When the season finally started, Nowitzki struggled. Played as a power forward by coach Don Nelson, [...]''

Nowitzki played the small forward position in his first season -- alongside A.C. Green or Gary Trent, who both were pure power forwards.

Looking back, Nowitzki said: "I was so frustrated I even contemplated going back to Germany... [the jump from Second Bundesliga to the NBA] was like jumping out of an airplane hoping the parachute would somehow open."

Nowitzki didn't really jump from Second Bundesliga to the NBA. He did play in the Bundesliga (Germany's top league) until the NBA lockout was resolved. DJK Würzburg Stats 98-99

Eclecticus (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

There is a mistake in the first section of the text: "father Jörg-Werner was a handball player who represented Germany at the highest international level" The father was only a local handball hero, he never represented Germany at the highest international level. You can check this in the German Wikipedia article about Dirk Nowitzki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.154.123.113 (talk) 09:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't speak German. Is there possibly a link somewhere in English which states exactly where he performed (the ESPN bio for Dirk mentions him as only an "elite handball player")? If so I will change the claim along with the citation.--Chimino (talk) 21:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, Nowitzki's father is NOT mentioned on the German Wiki page. Just checked it. A bio in GQ magazine (German edition) describes Jörg-Werner Nowitzki as a "powerful backcourt shooter with TG Würzburg in the 1960's" and "Franconian handball hero" (translation by myself). Not even in German do I find anything specific about the handball level he was playing at. Eclecticus (talk) 12:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * based upon the german wiki Dirk's mother and sister played for the German female basketball national team78.42.252.102 (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

2013-2014 season-section must be rewritten
Now that Nowitzki's season has ended, the section should be rewritten to meet quality standards. Currently, all it contains are descriptions of how he climbed up the all-time scoring list. Nuhr (talk) 08:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Polish origin?
The surname Nowitzki looks like a possible Germanization of the common Polish surname Nowicki. Polish c would of course be transformed into tz in German. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbrower2a (talk • contribs) 05:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That is very likely to be true. A lot of German names are of that origin but the family may have lived in Germany for many generations. Since this is fairly common here in Germany I am not sure if it needs special attention in this article. --Vertigo-1 (talk) 21:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. He is Polish. All Parents from Dirk are Polish! cu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.246.209.245 (talk) 15:05, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * yeah Bredenbröcker and Jörg-Werner are the most common polish names ever ;) 149.172.96.141 (talk) 13:12, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Nowitzki: The Perfect Shot documentary
The documentary on Nowitzki's life and career called Nowitzki: The Perfect Shot seems worth noting somewhere in the article. Perhaps alongside the 'Books' subsection. --Kevjonesin (talk) 12:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3626804/
 * http://www.mavs.com/the-perfect-shot-is-now-on-netflix/
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huSaQVlLjW8

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