Talk:Dirk Obbink

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Sappho.
Very sorry, but I am new to Wikipedia. Basically I undid a change that Caeciliusinhorto made, then undid my revision as realised it undid others' revisions ... so back to status quo!

I was very precise and NEVER claimed that Obbink is under investigation for a crime.

I wrote that the origin of the Sappho Papyri is under investigation. Very different!

I think that there are enough reliable sources to show that law enforcement are looking at it. For example Google: Turkey + Bibble Museum + Galatians. It should be clear that the Turkish government has asked various US Federal agencies to look into that, since that fragment of Galatians was smuggled out of Turkey. Obbink repeatedly gives the Sappho fragments the same origin as that Galatians fragment in London, BEFORE Galatians supposedly went to Istanbul .... hence, basic logic should clarify that it is highly likely the Sappho fragments are also under investigation.

PornBotPMS (talk) 08:40, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It may be highly likely that the Sappho fragments are under investigation (and David Meadows at rogueclassicism, at least, is highly suspicious of them). However, concluding that because other fragments which may be related to the Sappho fragments are under investigation, then the Sappho fragments must also be is original research or synthesis, both of which wikipedia does not allow.  Wikipedia's role is to report what is in reliable sources.  As Obbink is a living person, wikipedia is especially strict on this rule, both for legal reasons and because we want to avoid potential harm.  One of the things that wikipedia is most careful about is stating, or even implying, that a living person has been involved in a crime, or is under criminal investigation.  So though your edit did not outright state that Obbink was involved in or under investigation for a crime, as it could be construed as implying it, we have to be extremely careful with sourcing. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Prof Obbink's statement; denying allegations of improper handling or sale of manuscripts fragments
Dirk Obbink has issued a statement to the Waco Tribune-Herald, Texas :

“The allegations made against me that I have stolen, removed or sold items owned by the Egyptian Exploration Society collection at the University of Oxford are entirely false,” he stated. “I would never betray the trust of my colleagues and the values which I have sought to protect and uphold throughout my academic career in the way that has been alleged.

“I am aware that there are documents being used against me which I believe have been fabricated in a malicious attempt to harm my reputation and career. I am working with my legal team in this regard.”

Unfortunately he has not made an open public statement; and the Waco Tribune-Herald is behind a paywall. The text above is from a blog; which is not a good citable source in Wikipedia terms.

However, it is also not regarded as good Wikipedia practice to include in an article, allegations of illegality (as is the case here) when the subject disputes them. So what should we do? TomHennell (talk) 15:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I have already added a summary of Obbink's statement in Waco Tribune-Herald denying the allegations (it is the final paragraph of the "Controversy over "First Century Mark" and other items from the Egypt Exploration Society collection" section). If more accessible statements from Obbink are forthcoming we can expand on it. BabelStone (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC)