Talk:Disappearance of Madeleine McCann/Archive 10

Polish girl who thinks she's McCann
Hello there mods, do you think that there should have a section about this girl, she thinks she's Madeleine? JoãotheWikiFan (talk) 00:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Already there. 2023 claims  General Ization Talk  00:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I want to add a source. And I want to make a mention of a DNA test and that this polish woman could potentially another Swiss missing girl. And for some reason I cannot added the page even though I'm a Wikipedia member. I thought members can create and edit locked pages.Loymc1 (talk) 04:23, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * See WP:Protection policy for an explanation of your inability to edit the page. As for your source, assuming it's the same one you added at Disappearance of Alessia and Livia Schepp, it gives no evidence that she could be one of the Schepp girls, it only says that it's an Internet rumor that's going aroundone that, if true, means the young woman is both 21 and 18 at the same time. Largoplazo (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Wendel or Wendell?
The I24 link uses "Wendel." However, others, such as Edinburghlive and Irish Mirror use "Wendell." Yahoo! also uses "Wendell." I can't link every article that uses "Wendell." How should we verify which is correct? Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ Maxx-♥  talk and coffee ☕ 21:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

"Sergey Malinka" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sergey_Malinka&redirect=no Sergey Malinka] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at until a consensus is reached. CycloneYoris talk! 06:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

broken link
Kristi Card link broken — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.64.216 (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Julia Wendel is not Madeleine McCann
On April 4, 2023, a private investigator concluded that Wendel is not McCann after receiving a negative DNA test, “She is absolutely 100% from Poland”   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolheights23 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Removal of Julia Wendel
Requesting the removal of the subsection "2023 Claims" regarding Julia Windel. The reasons for this are:

1 - It isn't a formal police line of enquiry, it's a tabloid promoted attention-seeking random wanting their 15 minutes of fame, so doesn't belong in the section it's been forced into.

2 - Her claims were immediately dismissed by the authorities and disproven by DNA, and didn't have any noteworthy impact on the case in question.

3 - If we continue to include her then it's setting the precedent that means we'd have to include the likely dozens at this point randoms out there all claiming to have been Madeleine. Unless we're going to start a new topic of false claims of being Madeleine McCann then it should be removed as superfluous. Apache287 (talk) 13:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe there have been a small handful of such claims, but not dozens? I would support removal - we don't cover the other such cases, and it's therefore a question of WP:DUE. Some randomer said she was Madeleine McCann; it was proven quickly and conclusively that she isn't. Is there a need to cover that? In my opinion, no, absolutely not. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There's probably only a handful that have been reported on but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you dug through every tabloid, blog etc out there you'd find a lot of people all claiming to be her. This one that somehow got mass reporting is even more farcical when one of the sources used to warrant inclusion literally points out she's years older than Madeleine... Apache287 (talk) 14:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and removed, per WP:UNDUE. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2023
In paragraph 4 of the introductory section, "whom" is used incorrectly and needs to be changed to "who":

The current version of the paragraph is

In 2020, police in the German city of Braunschweig stated there was a new suspect in Madeleine's disappearance,[15][2] a German national and convicted sex offender whom public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters was convinced had abducted and murdered the child.[16]

and should read

In 2020, police in the German city of Braunschweig stated there was a new suspect in Madeleine's disappearance,[15][2] a German national and convicted sex offender who public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters was convinced had abducted and murdered the child.[16]

In this sentence, "who" was misconstrued as a grammatical object. Piscator47 (talk) 11:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Hyphenation Expert (talk) 11:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2023
The text in the 4th paragraph of the section "German Investigations in 2020" includes the line:

...the convicted German serial paedophile Christian Brückner (also known simply as "Christian B" under German privacy laws), who was living in a VW camper van near Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared...

This is redundant, as the information about Brückner's criminal history and living situation is already stated in the first paragraph:

...possible involvement of then-43-year-old Christian Brückner (also known simply as "Christian B" under German privacy laws), a convicted sex offender believed to have been living in a borrowed VW camper van in the Algarve region at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

I propose the sentence in the 4th paragraph be changed from:

According to cell phone geolocating, the cell phone of the convicted German serial paedophile Christian Brückner (also known simply as "Christian B" under German privacy laws), who was living in a VW camper van near Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared, was allegedly near McCann within 5 minutes of her disappearance.

to:

According to cell phone geolocating, the cell phone of Brückner was allegedly near McCann within 5 minutes of her disappearance.

Timtjtim (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ ARandomName123 (talk) 15:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

23 May 2023 Reservoir search
The ongoing search by German police of the Arade dam in Portugal, 31 miles from Praia da Luz, needs to be added: 205.239.40.3 (talk) 12:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It appears to involve both German and Portuguese Police officers and was added due to photos of McCann at the site being uncovered recently by police. They are also searching the wooded area near the reservoir. BettyWik21 (talk) 10:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it seems you have misread. That source actually says "... after photographs and video of the site were said to have been found in the possession of a man suspected of involvement in the child’s disappearance 16 years ago." The photos featured Christian Brückner himself. The search also included British police observers. The search continues for a second day today. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 11:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sniffer dogs have been employed and bags of material have been taken away: The search continues for a third day today. This really should be added to the article. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 09:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This has now been added. But not sure of the wording of "the girl was killed in the dam". Maybe that makes sense in German or Portuguese, but not really in English. Perhaps "the girl was killed on the shore of the reservoir", or something similar, might be better? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 08:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2023
I would like how old she would be now and key dates in Madeleine's disappearance to be added please. McEatMyMcFeet (talk) 00:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. All of that appears to be in the article already. Cannolis (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 September 2023
It says "Previously, McCann's sock was found in the search area in 2008". There is no evidence for this claim of finding a sock. Please remove. 193.38.2.81 (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The Portuguese source refers to a "child's sock" ("uma meia de uma criança"). I have changed the text in the article. Lard Almighty (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Someone found a childs sock??? 2.28.132.29 (talk) 18:19, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. However it was known that Madeleine did not have socks on when she was last seen in bed. Could you please further expand? 193.38.2.80 (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link for "The Portuguese source" ? Thanks. 193.38.2.81 (talk) 14:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It's one of the sources next to that sentence. Lard Almighty (talk) 14:16, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 September 2023
Under “Futher Police Inquiries (2011-Present)” and under “Operation Grange” the first photo (of Theresa May and David Cameron) and description is missing a parentheses after “(then-home secretary”.

So “Theresa May (then-home secretary with David Cameron (then-prime minister) in 2010” to “ Theresa May (then-home secretary) with David Cameron (then-prime minister) in 2010 DFMNE404 (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 November 2023
to be added to "Amaral's book (24 July 2008)":

The McCanns brought an action before the ECHR against the Portuguese State, invoking Articles 6 and 2 (right to a fair trial), 8 (right to respect for private and family life) and 10 (freedom of expression) of the Convention and alleging that Mr. Amaral's statements had damaged their reputation, good repute and right to the presumption of innocence, complaining that they had been unable to obtain redress before the domestic courts. The judgment of September 20, 2022, delivered unanimously by seven judges, held that there had been no violation by Portugal of the articles in question. https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-219530%22]} 2001:818:E806:9600:71DF:A1A7:9DEC:C951 (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Presumed dead
The infobox states that she was presumed dead in absentia on 4 May 2020. This is not accurate. On that day, German prosecutors just stated that they assume her to be dead. The legal term in absentia is not used in the BBC source. As McCann is a British citizen, only a UK court would be able to declare her legally dead. When reading "presumed dead in absentia", one would think that she has legally been declared/presumed dead.

In English law under the Cestui que Vie Act of 1666, a missing person would generally be assumed dead after seven years under three conditions; no evidence of still being alive, and the people most likely to have heard from them having no contact, and inquiries made of that person being unsuccess. Under this law, she would almost certainly have been declared legally dead by now.

However, with the Presumption of Death Act of 2013, this was changed. As seven years did not get to pass from McCann's disappearance in 2007 before the 1666 law was abolished in 2013, she was not been declared dead.

This is kind of my own research to give background but also just simple deductive reasoning. There might be sources for it, though.

The infobox needs to be changed to no longer imply that she has been presumed dead in any sort of legal manner just because police (for good reason, I believe) in a foreign country think so.--Marginataen (talk) 16:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 March 2024
smith sighting alien craft correllation 49.255.189.26 (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 01:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 March 2024 (2)
check Brooklyn Blood Pop............... !-- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> 49.255.189.26 (talk) 01:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC) Brooklyn Blood Pop Correllative to Madeleine Mccann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.255.189.26 (talk) 01:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 01:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)