Talk:Disappearance of Samantha Murphy

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I have added WikiProject Biography because this article is about an individual living person who is notable for one event. Also, I have removed the WikiProject banners for WikiProject Law and WikiProject Law Enforcement on the grounds of over-bannering and project scope. The disappearance of a person is outside the scope of WikiProject Law as it is not "law related" as far as I am aware, as there are no Australian laws regulating how a person can or cannot go missing. This article is also outside the scope of WikiProject Law Enforcement, which specifically excludes crime and similar social issues that police might investigate. If you disagree, please discuss or explain how and why these two WikiProjects might be relevant to this article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Cameron Dewe I don't see an issue with what you have done here. It's a gray area. Technically per NCRIME "The disappearance of a person would fall under this guideline if law enforcement agencies deemed it likely to have been caused by criminal conduct, regardless of whether a perpetrator is identified or charged", and the Chief Commissioner of VICPOL has confirmed the disappearance is being treated as "suspicious" however there is certainly ambiguity remaining and so commonsense says the BIO1E notability criteria is probably the most fitting at present. I will add LP category. Thanks. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @MaxnaCarta: Thanks for the comment. I agree that a missing person case can be considered "Crime related". However, my concern is that such a case is not a "Law related", nor a "Law enforcement related" article, as it is outside the scope of both of those WikiProjects. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cameron Dewe no worries at all. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Arrest
A note to any contributors:

Please note that per WP:SUSPECT, A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.

While someone has been arrested and named by the media, at this time it is likely the best solution to not name this individual. Anyone proposing differently is requested to please commence a discussion here first so consensus can be determined. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @WWGB pinging you here.
 * Thanks for clearing up the use of "murder" in the infobox and removing the death category. I just wanted to clarify whether you think I should go further and revert the title.
 * I am aware of Wikipedia's policy regarding the presumption of innocence for suspects. Therefore, it's wise not to include the name of the person charged until there is a conviction, and I have ensured this is the case.
 * Do you think I should also revert the article title back to "Disappearance" and write as though Samantha is still alive? I am torn between a desire to accurately reflect the current situation but also conform to the usual protocol for the Wikipedia.
 * On balance, I believe the decision to use the title "Murder" and refer to Samantha in the past tense aligns with the available information and follows Wikipedia's guidelines, but I do want your thoughts.
 * Thanks! — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

There has been no murder conviction; there is no proof that Murphy is dead. I have boldly moved the article to Disappearance of Samantha Murphy which is typical in such cases. WWGB (talk) 00:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @WWGB thanks, that's fine, I agree with your change. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)