Talk:Disney Sing-Along Songs/Archive 1

Time for Cleanup
First of all, whoever is deleting songs, please stop. Over the four different series, there have been songs moved or deleted from the various volumes, or in the case of DVD reissues, some songs have been added. These are all clearly marked and noted. If your copy is missing a song, the page will explain why -- don't delete the song from the page!! Second, it does not make sense to include all of the Spanish versions when there is an entire Wikipedia devoted to the Spanish language. These will be moved immediately. Third, it is overkill to include voice credits on every song when the song credits are clearly linked to the original movie from whence it came. If "singer" credits must be included, add them to the original movie page, not to this page, please. Finally, if we must add references and sources, we should discuss what is appropriate and add them right away. Any comments? Azasakayi 16:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Spanish versions (US and Spain releases) should be included because it refers to the whole wide world. I also agree that people should stop deleting correct information, and placing wrong information. When putting information, they should provide evidence for why that's true.Mickey798 (talk) 00:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Change this page to index
It is time for this page to turn into an index page for the Disney Sing Along Songs.

The article is too long -- even the page's index is about two screens deep. There is enough data on every release to stand alone, and infighting over what info to include has depended on available space. With individual title pages, each article could grow as its mythology is accurately accredited, and that would let the nitpickers have a place to include the most trivial information without clogging the article.

I challenge someone competent to execute this plan.

This page should become a summary (like an artist/musician/band page) and link to individual SAS releases (like an artist's album pages).

Establish a template (with all the typical release info like movies) and provide space for images (for proof of existence etc.)

Each volume article should allow for version information (i.e. VHS 1st series versus DVD 4th series).

Even the various "sticker" detail could be included under a Packaging and Promotion subheading.

TEMPLATE

MAIN INDEX PAGE will link to:

Volumes 1 through latest release, each article features:
 * Song List (Original or complete is moot),
 * Original and progressive packaging design (images and text)
 * Credits/links to original Disney releases (where available)
 * Singer/Performer Credits can be subheaded or song linked (moot).

From this, each page may grow itself, far beyond the volume of any one release's original content, but hey, isn't that what Wikipidia is for?

I propose that some volume groupings be maintained, where logical (i.e. All-Time Favorites and Disney Princess). Even Winnie-the-Pooh could be grouped.

Any input or mediation is requested. Everybody wants to have their input respected, and with this format, there would be room for the smaller debates to be segregated and sanctioned.

Help? Can someone set up a template for one release and let's have a look. Azasakayi 18:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI I originally created the articles this way, but Tregoweth merged them all into one article. Please contact him for any comments. Georgia guy 19:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It has been good up to now. However at over 30 volumes with trivia for each is getting unkempt. Early short articles belonged together, but now's the time to split them up. I'll go ahead and build a template if no one else will (I just don't have a lot of experience and would have to learn). Tregoweth? Azasakayi 14:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of the trivia probably shouldn't be included (see Avoid trivia sections in articles. I'd take a pass at the article, but I have very little interest in the Sing Along series. &mdash;tregoweth (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree we don't need a trivia section, especially if we include appropriate categories (i.e. release date, volume number, Packaging & Promotion, release versions) but the information is valid and can be standardized. I have been messing around with an infobox template but none exists for video series and must be created. Movie or album infoboxes make good foundations, but I'm not wikiknowledgable enough to build a new one correctly. Such a template (infobox:video) would be great for this application, and also for other similar collections (though I cannot think of any similar examples right now). I suppose the infobox:movie would be useful, but lacks some of the SAS specific details we might want (such as volume number, previous/next volume). My attempts at editing a custom infobox or table have been limited by my skills. Azasakayi 18:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Take a look in the history column of the article
I made reasons for the changing in the articles, so you can look and see why. NOTE: I forgot to log in, so I did this anonymously. Hellboy10 20:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.191.227 (talk)

Added material
A few IPs have been editing the article, adding the following text to the article:


 * That needs to have a different intro to the theme song play over the opening graphics. In its place, we hear the last couple of bars of Friend Like Me, with the title Friend Like Me appearing in Disney's Aladdin-style font, framed by blue and purple smoke, continuing into the remixed opening theme. The remixed opening was heard on Circle of Life and Honor to Us All while the remixed closing theme was also heard on Circle of Life.

I have reverted it because it seems more like a talk page comment ("That needs to..."), does not follow the format of other sections, is confusing, and unreferenced. Per WP:AGF, I've brought the issues to the talk page. If the IP(s) in question could specify what they mean and perhaps rewrite the paragraph, we can all live in harmony. Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Important question
In Pinocchio, it is Honest John who sings "Hi Diddle Dee Dee", not Pinocchio. But the Sing-Along Songs video remakes this song with Pinocchio's voice singing it. Why?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Corrections
I've got at home a VHS version of The Bare Necessities dated from MCMLXXXVII (1987) - Songs: "The Bare Necessities" (The Jungle Book), "You (Are A Human Animal)" (Mickey Mouse Club), "Cinderella Work Song" (Cinderella), "Old Yeller" (Old Yeller), "Figaro and Cleo" (Figaro and Cleo), "Winnie the Pooh" (Winnie the Pooh featurettes), "I Wan'na Be Like You" (The Jungle Book), "Look Out For Mr. Stork" (Dumbo), "Ev'rybody Wants To Be A Cat" (The Aristocrats), and "The Ugly Bug Ball" (Summer Magic).

And a VHS version of You Can Fly dated from MCMLXXXVIII (1988) - Songs: "You Can Fly" (Petter Pan), "The Beautiful Briny Sea" (Bedknobs and Broomsticks), "Solonel Hathi's March" (The Jungle Book), "I've Got No Strings" (Pinocchio), "Little Black Rain Cloud" (Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree), "Merrily On Our Way" (The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad), "He's A Tramp" (Lady and the Tramp), "Step In Time" (Mary Poppins), and "When I See An Elephant Fly" (Dumbo) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.87.203 (talk) 11:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Return Back to How it Was Before and Add Information and Songs in the UK Versions (if applicable)
This artcle should have stayed the same with the information before when that useless table was created. it should also have releases and songs used in UK (or other countries)versions because other people keep deleting what I put and since it's about Disney's Sing Along Songs, it should be from releases of the whole world, not just the US. It should mention the use of 101 Notes of Fun, Colours of the Wind, The Hunchabck of Notre Dame, and Hercules. Proof of these titles on UK Amazon.Mickey798 (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. --Smartie2thaMaxXx (talk) 01:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

List Songs
Could anyone finish putting in the list of songs for each volume? Mickey798 (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Can anyone confirm the existence of a third edition of "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah"? was likely planned as the most urgent release to coincide with the last North-American theatrical release of "Song Of The South", in 1986. The Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah Sing Along Songs was based on the song, Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, which was the most popular song EVER to come out of a Disney movie. This makes it important and primary. It was not labelled "Volume 2", because it just was that it was. Ditto for Heigh-Ho. It was only after they'd made a few volumes that they really started attaching volume numbers. Though after the complaints about the portrayal of African Americans in "Song of the South" rehashed in 1986, it would have been politically correct to label Heigh-Ho as Volume 1, just as "Snow White" predates "Song Of The South", then repair the order from there on. Note also that the DVD releases have no volume numbers the same date as "Heigh-Ho" 3rd edition)..

The live-action SAS were originally released as "Mickey's Fun Songs" then were rolled into the SAS in later re-releases (though produced in the late '80's). They do not have volume numbers but were grouped together promotionally. Flik's Musical Adventure was made coincidental with Disney-Pixar's A Bug's Life, in the style of the old Mickey's Fun Songs. Let's Go To Disneyland Paris was released only in Europe, also done in the same style.

An SAS may only qualify as "Volume No." if they are based on a primary Disney musical release. Notice there is no "Milo's Atlantian SAS", yet "Sing-A-Song With Winnie the Pooh (And Piglet Too)" doesn't rate a volume number at all. What about "Little Patch Of Heaven" and "On My Way", which may actually qualify as Volumes 17 and 18 (if Pooh doesn't get there first). Volumes one through sixteen are "written in stone" and will only be released to DVD with those designations. Let's watch and see where they go. I notice that the "Very Merry Christmas SAS" was re-released to DVD in 2002 with additional content and without a volume number.

Let's try to appreciate the content, and be less concerned with the volume numbers. I like this new look with Volume Trivia and "re-release" dates, and will continue to contribute. Thanks. -- Azasakayi 00:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * My new copy of Heigh-Ho is dated MCMLXXXVII (1987) on the box, but the tape is mislabeled MCMLXXXI (1981). The Disney Home Video sticker matches at the corner, so they are an original set. It turns out even Disney can make mistakes. Azasakayi 02:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There was a 3rd edition to Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah in 1994. It also says it on Amazon. However the UK version had only one realease, and that was 1986.Mickey798 (talk) 00:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

We'll need pictures in this Article
I think we'll need some pictures for the article, can you somebody do that for me?
 * I have a collection of VHS/DVD cover images - can we include them all or just a few as samples? Also, on the question of citing sources/references -- can we use one over-arching reference such as "VHS/DVD credits" for songs and "Amazon.com" for release dates?Azasakayi 17:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm trying all I can right now to put pictures in, especially of "Disney Sing Along Songs: The Hunchback of Notre Dame". I will try to put in more as time passes by. Mickey798 (talk) 00:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Image deletion
Why are a bunch of images deleted? Somebody put them back. They should be here. 67.182.183.25 14:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing images were deleted because they were all lifted straight out of Amazon and other Google searchable imagebanks. That's not allowed under fair-use rules. I've uploaded two photos, taken by me, to illustrate two areas of the collection. I'll upload more if these pass muster. Since these illustrate the collection and are not skimmed from Amazon, I'm hoping they hold.Azasakayi 03:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that was me. I don't know much about copyright tags. Ryan Holloway 14:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Ryan Holloway

I haven't been here in a long time, but the images I shot and uploaded have been deleted as non-free. That sucks. I haven't been around to babysit this thing and might just revert the whole thing to MY last edit. NO SAS DVD's have been released since, so the info should still all be good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azasakayi (talk • contribs) 18:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * If there was images before, they should put them back up although I'm trying to upload ones of my own. Mickey798 (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Seriously, the vandalism needs to stop. People need to stop removing songs and volumes and blanking sections. I'm tired of babysitting this page. Someone needs to redirect the page to the last known page with no vandals and put it under full protection. Bob Greenlake (talk) 19:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

You know what? I've noticed that a few of the Sing-Along volumes are missing from the list. I would really appreciate it if somebody put them back in. Actually, since there has been a lot of vandilizim going on with people removing stuff, somebody should lock this page and fix all the errors. That way, only logged in members can edit stuff. -Luckybolt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.190.56 (talk) 02:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's true that people should stop taking out stuff that's correct, and it really peeves me that someone takes out something I put that's correct. Mickey798 (talk) 00:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

STOP DELETING WITH WHAT I PUT UP!
Whoever is deleting what I put up on international-wise information about world releases and other information has GOT TO STOP! I put up stuff but they keep taking it down. Do not get rid of it anymore because the information is 100% true! In fact, that's why I uploaded the "Disney Sing Along Songs: The Hunchback of Notre Dame" cover, to show the international releases. I'll also come up with more references to prove the information is right. Mickey798 (talk) 00:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep Editions of Other Countries
Please do not remove the editions of other countries, and this is a warning to everyone who tries to edit this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickey798 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested Page Protection
I have requested page protection for this article because too many people have been vandalizing this page. I am getting tired of this! 10:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACMEWikiNet (talk • contribs)
 * How is it vandalized? If it has to do things from other countries, then that isn't vandalism since I know a lot about the "Disney Sing Along Songs" series and also how it's like internationally. Mickey798 (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Some people put fake volumes on it. Others, remove information. For example, Very Merry Christmas Songs, they remove songs that only appear on the 2002 DVD. ACMEWikiNet (talk) 20:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand that, and I know how it is since people remove what I put up info about international releases and facts and as well as info I put up about the 2003 Circle of Life DVD. Mickey798 (talk) 20:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2015
50.192.240.217 (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 19:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2015
The song list for the Circle of Life video is missing a song. It should be: 1. Circle of Life (The Lion King) 2. Part of Your World (The Little Mermaid) 3. Prince Ali (Aladdin) 4. I Just Can't Wait to Be King (The Lion King) 5. Belle (Beauty And The Beast) 6. Following the Leader (Peter Pan)* 7. Everybody Wants to Be a Cat (The Aristocats) 8. When You Wish Upon a Star (Pinocchio) Source - image of VHS box

73.20.125.116 (talk) 03:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 19:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Under the Sea in French
Can someone fix the typo of La Petite Syrène: Sous L'Ocean to La Petite Sirène: Sous L'Ocean, please? 71.95.53.89 (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

No, we cannot. It's only in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:C400:357:4141:983E:2CF6:25B0 (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2017
In Honor to Us All, the ending credits uses the regular closing theme, not the remixed closing theme. 2601:401:C503:63C6:E17E:A1C2:12F3:A3F8 (talk) 19:03, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Disney Wiki said that in Honor to Us All, the credits use the regular closing theme, not the remixed closing theme. Thank You.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  JTP (talk • contribs) 22:44, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Remember what I said, Disney Wiki said in Honor to Us All, the credits use the regular closing theme, not the remixed closing theme. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5d47:ec19:cd01:65e9:2155:1186 (talk) 19:46, March 7, 2018‎
 * No-one needs to remember what you said, we can read what you said right there. What you need to read, IP user, is the links that were provided to you.  Specifically, you need to read what "reliable source" means which explains why what the Disney Wiki said is not going to be used as a source.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 01:26, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I just don’t know how to add a source. But Disney Wiki is the correct source.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Asked and answered multiple times above. Further reopenings of this request without addressing the issues raised above, specifically those raised by, will be closed without further response. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:39, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Chipmunks Volumes
Can we include something about The Chipmunks Sing-Alongs. They were 3 volumes distributed from Buena Vista, which is owned by Disney. All 3 are from the 90's, and when I watch them, they talk about Muppets, which are owned by Disney:


 * Alvin and the Chipmunks Sing-Alongs: Ragtime Cowboy Joe
 * Alvin and the Chipmunks Sing-Alongs: Working on the Railroad
 * Alvin and the Chipmunks Sing-Alongs: School's Out For Summer

I'm sure a lot of you haven't heard of these, but Google for them, and it will pop up :-). Ryan Holloway 14:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Ryan Holloway


 * I am way too late right now and am sorry to say this, but you might be confused. Disney only had the US video rights to the Muppets catalog under license from Jim Henson Productions (known today as The Jim Henson Company) at the time when the 3 Chipmunks Sing-Along programs that you mentioned were released, and in the late 90s, when Disney ended their US video distribution deal with The Jim Henson Company, the deal went over to Columbia/TriStar, which is owned by Sony. Disney wouldn’t have owned the worldwide rights to the Muppets catalog until early 2004 when Sony ended their US video distribution deal with The Jim Henson Company. That same year, many titles previously owned by The Jim Henson Company that had no relation to the Muppets catalog had worldwide rights sold to Sony. Even some titles were once released on video under license from The Jim Henson Company by Lionsgate, including the 1987 Fraggle Rock animated TV series which had an extremely short-lived run with only one season and a few episodes, for example. For the original Fraggle Rock series, The Jim Henson Company had signed a video distribution deal with HiT Entertainment (now defunct and owned by the crappy Mattel company). 2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:5957:2C1F:F6EA:B06A (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Be Our Guest
Why would you think that "Be Our Guest" is 1991 and not 1992? It has to be from 1992, because it features a song from my all-time favorite Disney film (that being The Great Mouse Detective)! Gabrielkat 19:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, that doesn't prove it is at least 1992. TGMD was released in 1986. Georgia guy 20:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * True, but GMD was re-released to theatres in February 1992. Gabrielkat 00:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but Be Our Guest is November 12, 1991 'cause 1. It's Tuesday, 2. It was a promotion for the limited premiere of the new Beauty & the Beast movie (there's probally a trailer on that copy) & 3. Its original tape master has a vertical white label, which they were still using in 1991. Angryman301 9:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I've now decided to list Be Our Guest as November 1, 1991 'cause that was when Fantasia came out. Skymac207 11:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope, "Be Our Guest" was released in 1992. Gabrielkat 22:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm telling you! "Be Our Guest" was released in 1991 for the following reasons. 1. That's whem Fantasia came out. 2. Beauty & the Beast was in theaters November 13, 1991 for its limited premire & they wanted to promote it with this. (there's probally a trailer for that on that copy) 3. The original tape master has a vertical white label, which they were still using in 1991 & not in 1992. Since they were still using the 1984 FBI warnings in 1991, that very 1st copy has that at the beginning. Angryman301 11:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I was looking at a bootleg copy. So, that still means the program was still made June 19, 1992. Skymac207 10:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You know, Beauty And The Beast & Mary Poppins each have 2 songs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.112.215 (talk) 03:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * @Skymac207: you are COMPLETELY wrong. The Disney Sing-Along Songs program, “Be Our Guest” has the copyright notice dated 1992 in the closing credits, and was released on June 19th of that year. The November 13, 1991 release of the film, “Beauty and the Beast” only premiered at the El Capitan Theatre, which however is owned by Disney under their Buena Vista Theaters division, then the film premiered in other theaters on the 22nd. The 1991 VHS release of “Fantasia” (1940) was the very last Disney release to have the 1984-1991 WDTNT/BVHV FBI warning screens (red-orange vertical bar and lettering, white background). The 1991-1998 BVHV FBI/license/duplication warning screens (green background, white vertical bar and lettering) debuted on the first 12 Studio Film Collection releases which were released on September 11, 1991. FYI, vertical white sticker-labels WERE used in 1992. End of story for crying out loud! 2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:2D0C:E694:DF16:72AC (talk) 02:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Surprising Factor
You're not going to believe this, but I just remembered in September 2004, I saw a copy of Be Our Guest with a vertical white label (a.k.a the old style tape label), like all the 1991 re-prints, being sold with other tapes. That gives me the idea that vol.10 was made back on Nov. 12, 1991 to promote the limited premiere of the new Beauty & the Beast movie, the following day (there's probally a trailer on that copy) & that they were still using the old style tape label 1991. Skymac207 13:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I don't believe you. What is your point here again? It is surely possible that Be Our Guest was released on Nov 12, 1991, but where is your proof? Can we tell by the stock number (1311) what video may have been released just before or just after this one for reference? I'm not sure this example you cite actually exists. You seem willing to cite other "facts" which have no basis in reality, so why should anyone believe you on this one. I have edited many of your statements to at least be grammatically correct, and to reduce the unnecessary verbage, but you insist on reinstating this drivel repeatedly. Statements on Fun With Music and 101 Notes of Fun have been established for some time and do not need additional words or clarification. Stop changing what already works. If you have valid, cited, correct, new information, then add it or bring it here to be considered. You've got a really bad reputation for making bad edits here and elsewhere, so mostly you're going to get overruled. Azasakayi 00:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It was on ebay, but it was back in September 2004 I saw this. My point, in case you missed it, was that Be Our Guest was made back in 1991 for 2 reasons. 1: It was a promotion for the limited premiere of the new Beauty & the Beast movie, the following day (there's probally a trailer on that copy) & 2: They were still using vertical white labels (a.k.a the old style tape label) in 1991 Skymac207 23:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Please, Skymac/Mr Wheeler -- why do you insist there was a new tape master, and what is the relevance to this page anyway? The program is identical to the original, with one song removed. I could edit that on my own computer without creating a new tape master. For that matter, every volume which was reissued probably had a new tape master to allow for new promos, new openings, closings etc. It is completely irrelevant to state "new tape master". It wastes space and makes you look even more useless than you already appear. Azasakayi 20:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I already know the re-print from 1992 has the original program, I'm just saying since it had a vertical white label in 1991, the re-print in 1992 has horizontal silk screening, containing the original program, which means it has to say new tape master. Skymac207 23:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing you mean by "horizontal silk screening" that the label is printed on the black tape and not on a "vertical white label". This does not indicate a new tape master, only that the packaging design was changed. Get your facts straight. And be relevant. Azasakayi 18:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. The original 1991 print has a vertical white label & has the red/white FBI warning, orange FBI logo, 1986 HV logo, a trailer for Beauty & the Beast (which this film promoted) & the original program. At the end, an promo for vol.1-7+9. The re-print from 1992 has horizontal silk screening, containing the original program, but uses new green FBI warnings, 1986 HV logo & no trailer. At the end, an advertisement for vol.1-7+9 & 10. I own the 1993 edition, which has the green FBI warnings & 1986 HV logo from the 1992 re-print, no trailer (again) & the program that has that 1 song removed from it. At the end of it's nothing. There you go! Skymac207 15:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

So the 1992 print is different, the 1993 print is different again (deleted song). If we state the changes have been made, and are obvious, there's no need to assume and state "new tape master" without relevant citation. If you didn't hold the "new tape master" in your hand then you don't have any real information. Give us details on your edition, if you must, but tape masters are kind of presumptuous. I also question the inclusion of FBI warning colors, but I know that's your hobby, and that it helps you to identify date of issue. Can't you get over that? Who needs the FBI anyway? In Canada, the FBI warning is a joke to be laughed at and FFed through. We must have verifiable sources for release dates. What qualifies as a verifiable date? Amazon? BVHV? Azasakayi 15:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

All VHS in 1990 or 1991 that has a vertical white labels always have the red/white FBI warning & orange FBI logo 'cause they were still using them in 1991 & all VHS in 1992-1998 have green FBI warnings 'cause they didn't debut 'til 1992. So therefore, the 1991 print has the red/white FBI warnings & when it was re-printed in 1992, it had to have the green FBI warnings because that's when they debuted. End of Story! Case Closed! etc.! P.S., I finally agree that a tape master dosen't matter. Skymac207 15:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * They did release another 1991 print, I don't know why, but all I know about the second 1991 release is they cut out Little Wooden Head. I saw a 1991 copy that didn't have Little Wooden Head. Mickey798 (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Although this thread is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY old, let me tell you facts that may be more accurate than yours — Disney actually continued using vertical labels on their video tape titles until 1997 or ‘98. Vertical labels do not indicate 1984 red-orange warning screens. Those screens had stopped being used on November 1, 1991 when Fantasia came out on video. The green FBI screens debuted on September 11, 1991 when the first twelve Studio Film Collection video titles were released that date. “Be Our Guest” was originally released on June 19, 1992. As for you @Mickey798, the version of the program without “Little Wooden Head” was released on the same date that the actual film, “Beauty and the Beast” was released to video on, since that’s when they started releasing edited versions of pre-June 1992 SAS volumes, so your statement is most likely false information. I am going to deduce that the earliest copies of the original issue of “Be Our Guest” were printed in February 1992 since that’s when The Great Mouse Detective (1986) returned to theaters. In fact, the program itself did feature a song from that film. If it were originally released in 1991, it would not have. 2600:387:15:611:0:0:0:8 (talk) 02:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Volume Number Debate
Tell me, why would Volume 2 come out before Volume 1. Volume 1 always come out first, you know. Can't you see that 'Heigh-Ho' comes out in 1986, not 1987? -- Guest Editor
 * I've seen the end credits, and the copyright date is MCMLXXXVII, not MCMLXXXVI. --Ryanasaurus0077 14:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

- Creepy. That probably jumped out at people who were expecting FBI warnings. Imax80 00:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think yours is a later version? Could be a typo. Imax80 17:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Either it IS a typo or it really DID come out in 1987. Does your print say 1987? --Ryanasaurus0077 18:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I wish I had it. I highly doubt that Volume 2 was first, why would Disney (an extremely intellegent animation powerhouse in my opinion) put out a Volume 2 before a Volume 1? I have the 1991 reprinting of Volume 2. Imaxination 80
 * If you're reading this, Ryanasaurus0077, Volume 1 of Disney Sing Along Songs was released in December of 1986 and would originally have the copyright date "MCMLXXXVI" (your version must be a later printing). End of story. Gabrielkat 02:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The earliest printing I know of had no FBI warnings at all! --Ryanasaurus0077 17:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Then how does the video begin? First it's all black, then the WDHV logo starts out of nowhere? Imax80 15:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. --Ryanasaurus0077 21:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought that was a re-print in 1989. My cousin had a version of Heigh-Ho that had the same tape label, the 1st printing of Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah had. So, I think just like Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, Heigh-Ho had the red FBI warnings/videodealership announcement/1986 home video logo with "presents" at the bottom. Skymac207 23:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

If Volume 3's stock number was #662 and released in 1987, then why does Vol. 4 have #581 when released in 1988? It's like the 1988 Cinderella print having a #410 on it. Imax80 15:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Where can I find the 1986 version of Volume 1? Imax80 23:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

First of all, there have been ongoing chats of Volume 2 coming first and not Volume 1. Also, why are the release dates on Vol. 3 and Vol. 4 the other way around, along with Vol. 8, which should be 1992.

Disney would not release a one volume before the other, they went in order, the copyright dates on the cassettes are possibly typos.

I think everything should be put in order. Imax80 23:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about 3 and 4, but in the case of 11 and 12, I find it very natural to think that the reason relates to the Twelve days of Christmas that they want to give a volume number easy to remember. Georgia guy 00:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Look, my theory is this. In 1986, Disney was mastering Vol. 1 to tape, and assumed they would hit in spring 1987 and put the 1987 copyright date on all prints, but when Vol. 2 was being mastered to tape, they then said it would be a Christmas 1986 hit, so 1986 was put on all prints, and they were released in December '86 that way.

About Volumes 3 and 4, possibly the same issue I stated above, unexpected release dates leading to typos. Imax80 01:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see why Zip A Dee Doo Dah is first, it's because probably Heigh Ho has more texured bouncing ball than in Zip A Dee Doo Dah (which had white bouncing ball) -- Blocked User

Does the Volume 1 DVD say "1986"? Just wondering? Imax80 01:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

"Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah" was originally the first volume of the series and was released on October 14, 1986. "Heigh-Ho" was the second of the series and was released on May 19, 1987. Disney started alternating the volume numbers when they re-issued the pre-August 1989 titles, including the first two, in the series on May 18, 1990. The 1989 issue of “Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah” was released when “Fun with Music” was originally released, with the bracket no. being 480-5, and "Heigh-Ho"’s 1989 reissue was bracket no. 531-4. So Skymac is horribly, HORRIBLY wrong, and I’m glad all his usernames got blocked for sockpuppeting and false information. There was NEVER a DVD release of “Heigh-Ho” throughout the 2000s, nor the 2010s. 2600:387:15:151B:0:0:0:B (talk) 17:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The animation on the host characters
It would be good adition to know if the animation on the host characters are original or not


 * Clearly, they are actually stock footage taken directly from educational animated shorts, as well as some episodes of the television series, “Walt Disney Presents”. Weirdly, the “Old MacDonald Had a Band” portion of the 1989 program, “Fun with Music” (starring Oliver & Company, Alice in Wonderland and The Aristocats characters, was the version taken from the “Walt Disney Presents” episode), was the version taken from the “Walt Disney Presents” episode, “Toot, Whistle, Plunk & Boom”, although the song itself was originally in the educational band-style short, “Jack and Old Mac”. 74.187.193.112 (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Fun With Music DVD
I've been noticing several edits claiming a 2010 DVD release of "Fun With Music", but from a quick Google search, I can't find any reference. Is there any proof from the Walt Disney Company that a release of FWM is coming out, or as I suspect, is it just vandalism? 70.186.201.10 (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming it was just vandalism because the latest release of Fun with Music was 1990. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickey798 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, 1990 was when the program was re-issued with the new cover graphics, however, its latest release was 1992, because on that issue of the program, the back cover was slightly updated to have “Be Our Guest” and “I Love to Laugh” listed in the other SAS titles list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.187.193.112 (talk) 00:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Friend Like Me
Can anyone confirm the existence of a second edition of "Friend Like Me"? I've seen the package on a checklist which was included with my VHS copy of "Flik's Musical Adventure". The first edition is noted as released March 3, 1993, and Amazon lists a second release date of June 24, 1994 (the same date as "Be Our Guest" and "Bare Necessities" 2nd editions). This issue should have the newer package design (as seen on the Spanish edition), but I've been unable to find it in the marketplace (Amazon, ebay, etc.) Does anyone have this newer package, or was it somehow skipped?--Azasakayi 00:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that this was the last volume released in the 2nd series (#11 of 12, with #12 being the earlier released The Twelve Days Of Christmas). Then the new series, beginning with Circle of Life had new packaging, no new volume numbers, new theme orchestration (first appearing on Friend Like Me). Since it was the last of the old, or first of the new, it really belongs to both series, and given the controversy over Robin Williams' contract dispute with Disney, it just never made it out there into the market, though promoted and designed. It will probably hit DVD around the next Aladdin re-release. Azasakayi 02:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The second release was 1994 because of the new cover design along with the re-relases of other volumesMickey798 (talk) 00:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * @Mickey798: That “new cover graphic design” thing clearly does not indicate a new print master for the release, because all copies of the 1994 reissue of “The Bare Necessities” still utilized a very old print master of the program — on copies with the Sorcerer Mickey on the tape label, the master was taken from the Jan 1991 reissue, and other copies of the 1994 reissue, including the 1998 repackaging, used the original master from Oct 1987. Not to mention that the 1994 reissue of "Be Our Guest" still uses the fall 1992 print master with the edited program, so it’s certain that the 1994 re-issue of “Friend Like Me” will probably still utilize the original Apr. 1993 print of the program. 74.187.193.112 (talk) 00:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

We Have a Problem
The first DSAS volume, “Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah” was not released December 23, 1986. It was released October 14, 1986 as part of the Bring Disney Home For Good promotion. “Be Our Guest” was also reissued with the "Little Wooden Head" song edited out in fall 1992 (after the original program in summer 1992), not 1993. 2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:9048:D4F1:87BC:364B (talk) 01:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

The Twelve Days of Christmas
I spotted a variant on eBay that showed vol.12 "The Twelve Days of Christmas" with the vertical white label texture, so I'm going to list down that volume as December 24, 1991 because they were still using that tape master back in 1991. There's nothing much about it, considering it's holiday release, that means it has just the 1984 FBI warnings & 1986 HV logo at the beginning before the film, but at the end is that Christmas promo for other Christmas films, but doesn't metion the film. It's kinda' like Very Merry Christmas Songs. Skymac207 20:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I was looking at a bootleg copy. So, that still means the program was made December 21, 1993. Skymac207 10:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.97.19 (talk)


 * ** 25-sec. buzzing noise ** WRONG! First of all, the make date is not the release date. Second of all, the program was released October 1, 1993, because the video booklet inside the original 1993 Aladdin VHS proves so. And third and final of all, vertical labels on Disney video tape releases DO NOT indicate red-orange warning screens. 2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:9048:D4F1:87BC:364B (talk) 01:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

General formatting debates
1. Major changes in packaging and theme songs are significant to anyone collecting SAS tapes. First series was six tapes. Second series was Volume Numbered 1-12 (including first six reissued). Third series abandoned volume numbers, incorporated Mickey's Fun Songs and dumped Fun With Music. Fourth series saw DVD releases, unnumbered, with new songs, new themes etc.

2. Actual VHS tape labels are fairly irrelevant, except where Skymac207 has pointed out, that they may help to indicate actual release dates based on Disney packaging formats. If this theory can be clearly substantiated, we should accept this method of dating and allow the new/correct dates (however, I'd like to point out to Skymac207 that his life is based on a lie. Disney does not have "FBI" warnings, they only have homemade "copyright" warnings. There is no mention of "FBI" anywhere on early VHS tapes).

3. Muppet Troll vandalism is out of hand. What is with this guy? Is it some sort of Al Qaeda code?

4. What method of citations is recommended/required for statements/release dates? If there is a problem with statements, please include citation needed remarks on every contentious statement.

5. I still say it's time to use this as an index page with links to detailed title pages. Does Wikipedia have some problem with content volume? Is more information not better than less if the info is accurate? Is there some comparable video collection with which to compare this format? Can't we all just get along?

6. Finally, I'm eventually going to get packaging images up here soon. We'll see how that goes. Azasakayi 16:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently there are some differences between the PAL and NTSC versions of both Colors of the Wind and Topsy Turvy. If there are additions/changes like that in the future, you should try to at least explain the why's and wherefore's otherwise they'll keep being deleted. Azasakayi 16:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I’m 15 years late, but I’m seriously glad Skymac got blocked for sockpuppeting and false information. Why would vertical labels on Disney videotapes indicate red-orange warning screens? I’ve noticed that most copies of "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" 1996 VHS have the vertical label, and guess what? They still have the green warnings. So that clearly proves that Skymac’s life is also based on the fact that he doesn’t know how VHS tape labels work. He also doesn’t know what a reprint is, how godawful.

By the way, "Fun with Music" would’ve actually remained in stock until around 1997/1998 when Disney’s BVHV subsidiary was renamed to BVHE. However Disney was probably too cheap to update the packaging when they discontinued the second season of SAS and introduced the third season. 2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:9048:D4F1:87BC:364B (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Some Episodes in this Series have Wrong Information
We must improve these informations:
 * "You Can Fly" was released May 31, 1988. The copyright date in the end credits is MCMLXXXVIII (1988), which just suggests that early copies have a print date in either late Jan. or early Feb. 1988. If February 1988 was the release date, the copyright in the credits would’ve just read MCMLXXXVII (1987), suggesting that early copies would’ve been printed in either November or December 1987, instead. Another reason the release date for this is May 31, 1988 instead is because that was the date when the Walt Disney Mini-Classics series was launched.


 * "I Love to Laugh" was released March 4, 1991, because 1. That erroneous 1990 copyright in the end credits was clearly when the program started and completed production, and 2. Silkscreen-painted ink labels started appearing on this program in place of the vertical traditional sticker-label as late as January 31, 1991. So clearly, the promo at the end of this program is the updated version from 1991.


 * The edited program of "Be Our Guest" was released October 30, 1992, marking the debut of edited DSAS programs. The earliest print date for this version was July 1, 1992. The prints of this version with the Billy Bunny's Animal Songs preview at the beginning were simply re-issued prints when "Friend Like Me" was released.


 * The edited version of "You Can Fly" (the version with "He’s a Tramp" removed) was not released until 1994/1995 in the third season of the series.

2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:8478:DEF3:F9EF:69F4 (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2023
For "Fun with Music/100 Notes of Fun", I realized that "Jack and Old Mac" (where "Old MacDonald Had a Band" comes from) is part of the series "Toot, Whistle, Plunk, and Boom". Also, in the "Circle of Life" section, can you place "Following the Leader" under "Everybody Wants to be a Cat"? Please. 2601:40A:8400:5A40:1116:9E14:FDDA:774 (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.
 * Emphasis on reliable sources. Xan747 (talk) 20:56, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's a reference why Old MacDonald Had a Band came from "Toot, Whistle, Plunk, and Boom:
 * 2601:40A:8400:5A40:6517:28A4:1A07:9195 (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's a user-generated fan site so we can't use it. :-( Xan747 (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute. I think I found a better source:
 * 2601:40A:8400:5A40:6517:28A4:1A07:9195 (talk) 01:58, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Same problem, YouTube is self-published. If it were the official Disney channel it might be usable, but would still be strongly discouraged. Xan747 (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3rd December 2023
After further investigation, I can confirm numerous things:

- The very first Disney Sing-Along Songs video, called "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah", was NOT released on December 23, 1986; it was actually released on October 14, 1986, to coincide with Disney's "Bring Disney Home for Good" promotion. Citation from an issue of Billboard Magazine published on August 9, 1986 (go to page 84): |1

- "Supercalifraglisticexpialidocious" (formerly titled "I Love to Laugh!") was NOT officially released in 1990 despite the copyright date in the closing credit sequence for that one being 1990 (MCMXC); it was actually released in early 1991. Citation from an issue of Billboard Magazine published on March 23, 1991 (go to page 44): |2

- The 1994 re-release of "Disneyland Fun" contained an updated opening graphic, and closed with a promo featuring eleven volumes of the series. Meanwhile, the print that uses the updated opening graphic, but reinstates the original 1990 closing promo for the first six volumes, was released sometime in the fall of 1996; I have seen some VHS copies with mid-1996 press dates on the cassette spines that still close with the promo for eleven volumes.

- The original print of "Be Our Guest" was pulled from stores on June 30, 1992 due to an injunction by Bourne over the lyrics to "Little Wooden Head". Meanwhile, the print of "Be Our Guest" that removes "Little Wooden Head" was NOT released in 1993; it was actually released in late 1992 - further evidence of this is that I have seen some copies of "Be Our Guest", with July, August, September, October and November 1992 press dates on the cassette spines, that remove "Little Wooden Head". Citation from an issue of Billboard Magazine published on July 25, 1992 (go to pages 48-49): |3

- The print of "Heigh-Ho" that removes "The Siamese Cat Song" was released sometime in the fall of 1996; that print has a four-digit number preceded by the letter A on the back of the cover. Copies with 1994-1996 press dates on the cassette spines will still retain that song.

- The print of "You Can Fly" that removes "He's a Tramp" was also released sometime in the fall of 1996; that print has a four-digit number preceded by the letter A on the back of the cover. Copies with 1994-1996 press dates on the cassette spines will still retain that song.

2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:EC4B:9DAD:659C:4464 (talk) 21:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2024
Can you please fix the song list for "Circle of Life"? I want "Following the Leader" UNDER "Everybody Wants to be a Cat", because this video was released in the US before the UK. Can you please fix the song list? Please. 2601:40A:8400:2250:917D:8779:8016:8471 (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Geardona (talk to me?) 15:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)