Talk:Disney Vault/Archive 1

Piracy
Shouldn't there be more in this article about how the Disney Vault has led to an increase in piracy for the movies that are currently unavailable? Just take a look at eBay or the torrent trackers. To me, this is a very archaic business model. If I'm a parent, and I want my kids to see a movie that I grew up with, I'm not going to wait around for the movie to come out of the vault, I'm going to want them to see it while they're still kids. My old VHS tapes are worn, and I don't even have a VHS player anymore. What it comes down to is, the best way to get many of these movies without paying an outrageous price is to pirate them.

The attitude toward media in the 21st century is basically, "if it's not available for me to buy legally, then I'm going to get it another way." The market can't really be controlled anymore. Disney is not exempt from this. It's no wonder that the bootleggers love this as much as the collectors, but it's a shame for parents and children, the people these movies were supposedly made for. You could argue that many of these Disney movies were the last great examples of wholesome entertainment. If I could buy them legally, then I would, but obviously Disney doesn't need or want my money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.65.88.145 (talk) 14:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That attitude isn't unique to the 21st century. Only the technology that makes it so quick, easy and free is. You make valid points though. If you can find some articles about this phenomenon, then by all means cite them and add a section to the article about piracy. It makes sense and we all know it's true, but citing primary sources such as torrent trackers constitutes original research and is thus inappropriate for a wikipedia article.24.47.154.230 (talk) 15:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

History
I watched a lot of the making of featurettes on the Australian Diamond Edition of Snow White recently. I have reason to believe the idea of the vault was born when Disney made the decision to have Snow White theatrically rereleased during the second world war. Seven years after the initial release. I'd love to draft a paragraph for the entry but I was unsure how to reference a DVD featurette. Naturally they never used the word 'vault', but they did reiterate the concept of 'exposing a new generation of children to the magic of Disney' (to paraphrase).

Also, I work for JB Hi-Fi. It was announced in our DVD magazine that the next vault release in Australia will be Beauty and the Beast, in October. Anyone else got similar stories across the ocean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.111.7.12 (talk) 12:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

(updated June 18 2010)

Aladdin
Aladdin and it's sequels are part of the Disney Vault rotation as Aladdin returned to to the vault and is not being re-released as part of the Diamond Editions. User talk:RickyBryant45324 11:12, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please include a source. Please also note regional variations - for example, Aladdin, Fantasia and Pocahontas are readily available in the UK.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

And? I live in the US and I know it went back into the vault. But if you demanding a source here. Second look this page Walt Disney Platinum and Diamond Editions. Look into things before you revert someone's edits. That's not showing good faith. User talk:RickyBryant45324 11:01, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because something is out of print, it does not mean that it is "subject to the rules of the Disney Vault" as per the article. Okay, yes, so it may not currently be available, but that does not mean that it won't be.  If you're going to add Aladdin, please ensure you find a source to show that it is subject to these rules.  The source you provide isn't particularly reliable, as it lists every discontinued DVD, not just the ones "in the vault".  Please note that this article isn't just a list of what is and isn't currently available. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

GRRRRRRR! Read the top part it clearly states "The following is a complete list of all Disney DVD movies 'in the vault' on moratorium." Thank you please do not revert this again. User talk:RickyBryant45324 19:53, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I really don't like that dvddizzy reference - it isn't reliable and includes films that are not subject to the rules of the vault and not even out of print, just re-released (The Sword in the Stone for example), but the official Disney one looks good. I'd still like to see something definitive showing "This is a list of films that are subject to the rules of the Disney Vault" or similar (like the UK and Germany ones), but good enough for now I guess.  Have restructured a bit to allow for regional variations in the main list - i.e. Aladdin isn't in the vault in UK or Germany.  Hope you're happy with this compromise.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That works for me. :) And I'm sorry but Disney irritates me a lot with their "vaulting" things and me and my lover have currently started getting the Disney films on DVD but we can't get Aladdin because it got "vaulted". Disney's dumb for doing that. They really are. I don't blame people for pirating them and Disney losing money cause of it. They didn't do this and keep them available people wouldn't do it as much. But they'll have to figure it out on their own I guess. But I like the compromise. I doubt Disney will ever give a full official list of what they "vault". User talk:RickyBryant45324 20:29, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Avoiding North American bias and what to include in the list of films affected
There do seem to be regional differences as to what is included in the "Disney Vault", although editors seem to want to remove references to this in the list, thus forcing a North American bias. No reference seems to be definitive, and the goalposts do seem to change periodically. How should we move forward in showing which films are in the "vault" in different regions and which are currently available? Maybe a table format? Or should we remove the list altogether, discussing the "vault" as a concept only? --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No response to this, yet editors still keep removing the references to the regional differences. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

That is a fantastic idea. There isn't a good reason NOT to chart the vault-able titles status (In) or (Out) based on regions.

Copyright Expiration
Some mention of the fact (?) that by re-releasing, they are renewing their copyright claims, should probably be made. Or at least a mention of U.S. copyright laws as they pertain to disney. 99.236.161.126 (talk) 07:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Though this is an old edit, I don't think that's true. Expiration of copyright depends on the date of first publication. A new copyright term is only established if a new or altered work is published, and in the case of an altered work, only the alterations are covered by the more recent copyright term. Knight of Truth (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

In North America
I do believe in North America all Disney films, or at least the first 36 Disney animated theatrical releases, are moratorium. I have noticed several released but none stay out of the "vault" for long, the only one I do not think is ever moratorium is Hercules as that DVD stayed out of the vault longer then any of the others. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 18:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add this if you have a source. Trivialist (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Already working on it. Disney.go.com shows a lot of DVD releases that were moratorium, example, the 2-disc special edition of Mulan or The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Funnily Hercules, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and some others are still available on DVD and probably will be until Disney has decided if they are going to be Blu-ray. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 19:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)