Talk:Dissolution of Austria-Hungary

Emperor Karl's proclamation
Who on earth wrote the stupid translation of Karl's proclamation? It needs to be corrected thus 89.134.120.236 (talk) 14:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Mutinies in the Imperial army
In his book Meine Danziger Mission Carl Jakob Burckhardt claims that the mutinying troops were almost all Czechs and that even Napoleon had argued that Austria (meaning all the Habsburg lands in one realm) were essential for guaranteeing peace. The independence achieved by the new Czechoslovakia did, arguably, come back to bite it:  it inherited three million Germans, half a million Hungarians and some Ukranians, I.e. it inherited the same difference. The new countries formed were soon at loggerheads with each other in irredentist claims, and then came WWII. 89.134.120.236 (talk) 15:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

There were mutinieties, however they were not the majority of the soldiers. The army started to disintegrate after the Empire has started to disintegrate. One of the strangest phenomenon happened in history of the 20th century. In the last Italian battles, the A-H Army went to battles without political support without food and munition supply for a defacto and de jure non-existent Empire!!!--Pharaph (talk) 20:08, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Jamborees and smaller gathering interpreted as "democratic plebiscites" and "volition of the people" in the text
National Councils were only jamborees of a single ethnicity in a given territory, they were not large scale democratic plebiscites about the disputed borders. The Czech Serbian Romanian leaders protested against the very idea of democratic plebiscites at the leaders of ENTENTE powers.

Let's don't forget: Without democratic plebiscites about the borders (uder the controll of Western ENTENTE officers in the polling stations), there was no demonstrable popular legitimacy/acceptance behind any territorial changes, so it could lead only to arbitrary political decisions (aka. dictate). The decision was made about the people, but without the people in a room behind closed doors. Only the people were not asked about the new borders.

The only real small plebiscite was held in Sopron, the so-called Sopron plebiscite.--Pharaph (talk) 20:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)