Talk:Diving (association football)

Please limit the use of examples of simulation to strictly cases where a player who has been diciplened for doing so by a FIFA official, otherwise you are throwing mud around

Extra info, add infamous instances
Could someone please add infamous instances of simulation as a section.

any other additions would be appreciated

jstupple7 19:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You could talk about Man United. Most of there goals are penalties because of diving and cheating.  70.232.113.196 21:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Rivaldo's antics in the 2002 World Cup take the prize though. Jooler 09:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

nonregistered user suggests this video be embedded as an example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxydvtu9UsM&feature=player_embedded

Proposed merge with Football diving
I think this is the better title of the two. Amcguinn 12:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Generalizing: Every person involved in football thinks that diving is...harmful
"Every person involved in football thinks that diving is a harmful element of the game, and many teams have lost games unfairly because of it." That seems like a huge generalization to say that every person thinks so. It would be more appropriate to say "most". --71.225.229.151 01:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC) Can we call it soccor?

a list of famous dives: we don't need one
We dont need one. Its only going to start flaming, trolling, spamming, etc. And if we are going to add every single player accused of this, even if it was just once, then it should be over 57 pages long. No lists in the article please 71.254.197.64

see also: cristiano ronaldo not needed
i don't see the need to have cristiano ronaldo on the 'see also' list - otherwise all players mentioned in this article would be there - will take his name off

Drogba's diving on this page
Why is there no mention of Drogba's diving on this page, while Cristiano Ronaldo has almost an entire paragraph devoted to his "habitual diving"? Same goes for Joe Cole, Ashley Cole, John Terry and Steven Gerrard. - PeeJay 08:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Where's your proof that Drogba dives?

Scaramang (talk) 23:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

You know...Perhaps you might need to change the title of this page
The world plays other football codes than Cambridge Association type football. In most of these other codes, the term "diving" is considered to be a positive thing rather than a negative term. Perhaps you might need to change the title of this page from "Diving (Football)" to "Diving (Association Football)" or "Diving (Football[soccer])" or even "Simulation (Association football term)"

ColdRedRain (talk) 18:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of examples
One thing this page is lacking is examples, there is a really bad reason why, editors (mostly anons) keep repeatedly deleting these names, many well referenced. Should this page be protected from new users? Should the referenced examples be restored? Or better yet, only referenced examples were players have been cited for diving?

This has been a constant battle, a small sample:

00:58, 24 March 2008 to present:

Merge discussion
I propose we merge Diving (football) with Diving (ice hockey) in a new article named Diving (foul) or something similar, as they are deal with the exact same foul. I'm not sure about the terminology in other sports, but this format would lend itself well to integration. Schmloof (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose on the basis that there is a separate article for Flop (basketball). The football and basketball articles are pretty extensive on their own, and I don't think would lend well to merging. 01:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose 01:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.226.18 (talk)

Entry about the Italian team
The Italian national football team have been well known to use this tactic and wrote the manual on diving sounds POV to me. Is there any source to back up this claim?

173.55.234.237 (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Plenty of blog posts about it, but no reliable sources that I an find. Cla68 (talk) 05:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Lol @ vandalism
Removing the seriously BJAODN-able "Main article: Neymar" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.55.220 (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Italian players
Since you agreed to not adding a special reference to Italian teams (which I guess is straight), would you please mention ONE single Italian player in the examples-section? I strongly recommend Filippo Inzaghi who probably is THE example and, as a football player, was basically known for excellent diving... --193.30.37.163 (talk) 11:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you support the inclusion with citations to reliable sources that mention a reputation for diving? Nzd   (talk)  12:08, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

A list of divers: we don't need one
Why is it necessary to shame these perpetrators, it's not like they have committed a crime. If we were to actually adhere to a consistent and accurate list, then it would have to be significantly longer and would likely be subject to a lot of bias.

I for example added Wayne Rooney and Harry Kane to the list because a) I follow English football more closely than other competitions b) I believe that English players are more likely to get away with diving than a foreign player in the Premier League, so I'm more likely to remember or try to remember them because I won't constantly be reminded that they might or might not be a diver. ENNME (talk) 00:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)ENNME