Talk:Djurgårdens IF (men's hockey)

Orphaned references in Djurgårdens IF Hockey
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Reference named "stats": From List of Djurgårdens IF Hockey seasons:  From Södertälje SK:  From VIK Västerås HK:  From Hammarby Hockey (1921–2008):  From 2003–04 Pittsburgh Penguins season:  From List of AIK IF seasons:  

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 * Fixed. —  Swedishpenguin  &#124; Talk 08:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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Funky title
Why "Djurgårdens IF Hockey"? It seems to be a mashup of several of the names listed in the lead. Dicklyon (talk) 01:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I find "Djurgarden Hockey AB owns the Swedish ice hockey team 'Djurgardens IF'." The phrase "Djurgårdens IF Hockey" is nowhere to be found in sources. Perhaps "Djurgårdens IF hockey" or "Djurgårdens IF (hockey)" would work? Dicklyon (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It's the other way around. The ice hockey club Djurgårdens IF Ishockeyförening owns the business entity Djurgården Hockey AB which in turn holds all the contracts with the professional players in the men's and women's teams. QubeCube (talk) 17:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 16 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus to move; rough consensus to move to the alternative proposal (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

– These are dressed up like proper names, but I can't find them in sources this way. I'm open to other alternatives, e.g. Djurgårdens IF (men's hockey) and Djurgårdens IF (women's hockey), or any other disambiguated name or descriptive term, especially if found in English sources. Or we could use an untranslated name, perhaps. Dicklyon (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 07:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Djurgårdens IF Hockey → Djurgårdens IF hockey
 * Djurgårdens IF Hockey (women) → Djurgårdens IF hockey (women)

Note: other Djurgårdens IF are not yet considered, but should be. Comments are welcome. Some of them may be actual club names, some not. Dicklyon (talk) 15:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * Oppose The problem for the club is that the full name is so long, Djurgårdens IF Ishockeyförening. The club itself uses an abbreviation for their home page difhockey.se, which matches the name of the article. I.e. Djurgårdens IF Hockey. Here is also a few news pages which shows the use of the name:    QubeCube (talk) 06:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per QubeCube, Swedish secondary sources mostly appear to use Hockey with a capital H. The   Kip  20:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I would also support a move to Djurgårdens IF Ishockeyförening, the official (but long) title of the team.  The   Kip  18:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support—Swedish-language sources???? We'd cap everything if we took any notice of them. This is English. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  06:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For overseas teams we go with their native names - we have Eisbären Berlin instead of Berlin Ice Bears for a reason, and believe it or not, their native language name (in Swedish) is Djurgårdens IF Ishockeyförening with a capital I - this is often shortened simply to Djurgårdens IF Hockey, with a capital H. If we solely went off of what English-language sources say, they typically omit the "Hockey" entirely and just say Djurgårdens IF, which we can't do as the entire sports club is called that. The   Kip  19:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support The formal name is Djurgårdens IF Ishockeyförening, where Ishockeyförening means ice hockey association. While we would capitalise the formal name in English, this shortened form is a descriptive name that would not be capitalised: the article is about the [mens'] Djurgårdens IF ice hockey team. This is analogous with capitalisation of job titles for the same reasons - we capitalise President of the United States but not United States president or the president, which are shortened or alterative forms of the formal name. It is certainly not necessary capitalisation per MOS:CAPS (through WP:NCCAPS. This is En Wiki, while foreign language capitalisation may be informative, we are ultimately guided by English language sources (not seen) and/or conventions. We do not capitalise for emphasis or significance per MOS:SIGNIFCAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alternative The proper title should be "Djurgårdens IF Ishockeyförening" which would be the capatilized Ice Hockey Association. But as other's have pointed out, the shortened form is lowercased. Thus, switching it to be men's or women's hockey is more appropriate. Conyo14 (talk) 21:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alternative Djurgårdens IF men's ice hockey and Djurgårdens IF women's ice hockey (optionally with "team" in there, too), which I think is what Cinderella was proposing and what Conyo14 is supporting. Dicklyon (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)