Talk:Dmitry Gudkov

"non-systemic opposition"
NYT writes:
 * "In Russia, parties are defined as “systemic opposition” and “non-systemic opposition,” according to current political parlance, with the former being opposition in name, but in fact backing Mr. Putin on most matters."

This is nonsense. Non-systemic opposition means opposition outside "system" ie., outside formal political establishment. American journalist has no say how the Russian-introduced concept is defined. That Gudkov was expelled from his party does not automatically make him "non-system". He is still in parliament, ie., within "system". - üser:Altenmann >t 06:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * When you state "This is nonsense", do you have a reference (regarding non-system opposition, Gudkov, or otherwise)? If you do, please post it here for attempted clarification on your intent.
 * Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know User:Altenmann as an RS. I personally don't know, and I am just going by what presumably credible RSs state.  From my understanding of what Wikipedia is, it wouldn't be my place to say here even if I did know anyway. 69.58.42.90 (talk) 00:06, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * When I state this is nonsense, I mean that the journalist was ignorant in Russian political terminology. The proper references and proper definition are in the corresponding article. - üser:Altenmann >t 18:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * How about this? Since the NYT states "Because of the fragility of his seat, the People's Freedom Party and Open Russia have cleared the field for Mr. Gudkov, who is with the Yabloko party. " and from the only english reference on "non-system opposition" (openDemocracy): Opposition parties inside the system; "There are 3 others, which are not represented in the Duma: ‘Right Cause’, ‘Yabloko’ and ‘Patriots of Russia’." And outside.. "The best known of them are the People's Freedom Party, 'Other Russia' and the Russian United Labour Front."; I'd suggest this addition:

"While Gudkov joined the 'systemic opposition' Yabloko party and worked with the non-systemic opposition, he lost in the 18 September 2016 election for the Russian Parliament."
 * 69.58.42.90 (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * What is the reference for this statement?
 * Please keep in mind that Russian terminology about their opposition is a mess. There is "non-systemic opposition", "non-parliamentary opposition", "white ribbon opposition", etc. For an English reader the confusion is increased by Russian terminology for legally defined types of assembly ('assembly' here is generic term as in "freedom of assembly"), which does not exactly match English terminology. Even Russian-language writers got confused and some list into non-sys oppo both Left Front (Russia) and People's Freedom Party (eg Russian wikipedia does). Therefore please avoid using labels even if they are used by "pundits". And Gudkov is a perfect case to the point: NYT unwittingly pigeonholed him into non-sys, while he was simply biding his time. - üser:Altenmann >t 03:55, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Even if the People's Freedom Party is in question, Open Russia not a registered party and is opposition. "While Gudkov joined the 'systemic opposition' Yabloko party and worked with the non-systemic opposition, he lost in the 18 September 2016 election for the Russian Parliament." How about the above (then locate references at the end of the sentence)? 69.58.42.90 (talk) 20:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC) Since there has been no response in over a week, I'll add it. 69.58.42.90 (talk) 19:29, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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