Talk:Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness/Archive 1

The Ronin
I'm inquiring as to whether The Ronin is considered a reliable source. It is being used to source John Mathieson as the cinematographer. . Rusted AutoParts  20:43, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's essentially a blog as it's one person running it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Longcross Studios
Most likely unreliable, but came across this from February stating the film will be shot once again at Longcross Studios. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this seems to pretty much be unreliable as it discusses numerous other projects unrelated to this one and theories and rumors. The studio location for filming is something to look out for, though, once filming begins. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Move to mainspace
As we are approaching the end of the month and we know filming will be starting soon, just wanted to check in make sure everyone feels good about how the draft is for when we do find out when it can move. Unlike the recently moved Spider-Man 3 draft, this has a logo so we'll have to get that uploaded once the move occurs. The logo can be found here, and should be at the file name "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness logo". In the coming days, I'll get the sequel section at Doctor Strange (2016 film) ready as I did with the one at Far From Home (unless someone else wishes to and does before me). I can also plan to move the draft when it comes time, assuming we know an exact date ahead of time. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I ✅. El Millo (talk) 17:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe the page is ready for when filming starts and support the plan. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So crew members (at least this stunt double) appear to have arrived in London to quarantine. That was on November 2, and assuming a standard 2 week quarantine, we might be looking at filming beginning the week of November 16. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, that sounds good. I might look through the article to see if any standard copyedits could be of use. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have done some copyediting after reading through the article's body in the hopes of smoothing back-to-back information out. Assuming all goes well, I think the article is up to shape for move to mainspace. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

THR says filming has begun so I'm going to go ahead and make the draft moves. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Yaron Orbach
Just looking I suppose for some assurance about him being the cinematographer on the film still. I do remember hearing his name mentioned as cinematographer back in 2019, but this was back prior to the departure of Derrickson. Since then, outside of Production Listing labelling him as cinematographer (PL being a solid source for Wikipedia beofre but in this case I'm a little iffy on as Derrickson is stil listed as Directtor with Raimi), I haven't seen Orbacn's name attached to the project. Via newer sources in September 2020 (they are of course reported by sites we don't consider reliable but I bring them up as an example of the date they were reported), John Mathieson has been linked as cinematographer and Mathieson is the one credited on IMDB. I can't say this discussion should be used as means to swap Orbach for Mathieson in the article but at most to demonstrate Orbach is not clear cut as being the film's DP. Rusted AutoParts 05:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that IMDb can be edited by anyone without proper sourcing, which is why that's considered unreliable. The Mathieston reports as you mentioned are also unreliable, but outside from all of those, there's nothing concrete to debunk Orbach isn't the cinematographer or state that he left after Derrickson did, so I feel Production List is accurate with his involvement still. It does list Derrickson as director with Raimi, but that's likely because Derrickson had a large part to play as director before he left and Raimi took over. Plus, the listing was last update in October, a month after the Mathison reports, so I feel if those were correct, they likely would have used that, but didn't. Since it is filming, I think it is best to keep Orbach here unless reports come out saying he's not actually involved. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Benedict Wong on Instagram implies filming has resumed
Apparently, Benedict Wong put out a post on Instagram implying Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness has resumed filming: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLK2bD4nunu/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link.

Do you think we could add this into the film's wiki page under the filming section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarvelDisney20 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the post indicates when the image was taken or if filming is happening at the moment, though it does seem to indicate that Wong may be in SM3. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting timing. I saw this article on Elizabeth Olsen's Wanda Maximoff being in SM3. Not convinced of reliability, but it seems like something may be happening. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Also a sequel to WandaVison?
I know normally it is not but WandaVision sets up Multiverse of Madness and MCU is interconnected so should it be a sequel to WandaVision? Mighty Asgardian616 (talk) 12:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Every installment in the MCU sets up another installment and every piece of media follows many others, but we only consider them sequels if they are part of the same "franchise", i.e. Avengers films, or Guardians of the Galaxy films, or Iron Man films. If we were to consider every film that was set up by a previous one as a sequel to that film, then Infinity War and Endgame would be a sequel to virtually every film that came before it, and virtually everything that comes after it would be a sequel to Endgame. —El Millo (talk) 15:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Mikkelsen appearing?
IndieWire has removed the wording to be followed by a role as Kaecilius in Marvel’s “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.” from their live article that was seen in this archive. Given such, I have removed Mikkelsen from the article at this time. Either IndieWire was mistaken, or Anne Thompson, the author, published something she shouldn't have, so I don't think we should base our sourcing on a since-removed piece of the article. If any of you recall, this reminds me of "Phylicia Rashad in Black Panther" when The Undefeated seemingly included a quote from Sterling K. Brown saying such, and then quickly amended the quote. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:04, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, whatever the case may be for why it was included and then removed, we shouldn't include it as it is not supported in the live article and is dubious. Should this actually happen, we'll see. If not, alright. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Since there was no quote about this it seems likely that this was just an incorrect assumption. Either way, I agree that taking this out until there is a different source (if there ever is one) is the best move. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Campbell
I've been reading through this article and the sources added to it throughout the day, and have particularly felt that the information surrounding Bruce Campbell's rumoured appearance in the film to be quite shaky. As of writing this, the article states he confirmed rumors he would appear, sourcing a recent EW interview he did. Reading through that article, I can't find any clear wording in which he confirms he's in the film, or that he shot footage, as has been what the rumors state. In response to this statement "The rumor is that you are in Doctor Strange 2", Campbell said "I would say that's a pretty good rumor. I think that won't get me sued. That's a pretty good rumor, yeah." When asked to elaborate, he only said "Look, I think it's a standing rule that Sam Raimi, his movies are not good if I'm not in them. If Sam wants a good movie he'll put me in it. But you never know [with] these epic movies what's going to stay or go in the course of telling these huge stories, so I don't know. That's why I keep it cryptic because (a) I don't want to get sued but (b) I don't want to say, "Yeah, hey, tune in!" and then they go, "Where were you, idiot?" But I always enjoy working with my old friend, Mr. Director." I'm not finding anything in there to be a direct, explicit confirmation he'll make an appearance, even if what he's saying of not wanting to disappoint audiences if he doesn't appear or if it were to be cut. Feel free to respond and clarify if I'm wrong and just not seeing it, but from this, I don't think we can state on this article that he confirmed his appearance. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems pretty obvious that he will appear based on this interview and other thing the actor has said, but it still isn't a confirmation, and I haven't found any reliable sources that treated it as a confirmation. In my opinion, it should be removed until we can find at least one very reliable source that treats this as a confirmation of his appearance. —El Millo (talk) 00:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would go for hiding it until more solid confirmation. IronManCap (talk) 00:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and removed the info, as Campbell himself has not confirmed he will appear, and it's pointless to note one's response to rumors of their involvement. Despite how likely it is for him to appear, it's still WP:OR for now, and shouldn't be included per WP:RUMOR. If it gets confirmed, then it can be added at such a time. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd agree with this. His words definitely make it seem like he will be in, but unless he comes out with 'I am in the film', or another involved party confirms it, Campbell's current words are not a concrete confirmation. Gistech (talk) 19:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2021
Yutry86com (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC) I do want to
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2021
Hello, Because of this Wikipedia page, the release date of Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness is listed as May 7, 2021 on Bing. On the Wikipedia page, both the correct release date (March 25, 2022, in the third paragraph) and incorrect release date (May 7, 2021, in the second paragraph of the development section) are listed. Please fix this. Thank you. 108.56.172.177 (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC) Sam 108.56.172.177 (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's saying that they announced that date at that time, not that it was the actual release date. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hiddleston as Loki appearance not confirmed
I'm bringing this up because multiple editors keep adding it back. The starring section is for cast members who have been confirmed. THR reported that Loki is expected to return in Multiverse of Madness but they also said that this hasn't been confirmed yet. Other articles have been running with the THR article as a fact. Until Marvel or a source close to production confirms it independently, it's just a rumor... and shouldn't be included in the starring section. Feel free to discuss or present new, independent sources.— Starforce13  17:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just to add, we talk about it in the production section, but we should excluded Hiddleston from the infobox, lead, and cast section until that better source mentioned comes about. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with the above. Remember that Deadline reported that Robert Downey Jr was supposed to appear in Black Widow but did not appear in the film. - Richiekim (talk) 18:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * True, but just to point out with that instance, Deadline had some more certainty at the time of the report, and per post-release interviews, it seems like it possibly was considered and didn't go through with it. THR's info on Loki is very shaky in their assurance, hence why we're just sticking to the production section mention. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to bring up that both Collider and Hollywood Reporter...er, reported, Hiddleston's involvement once more today. While THR stuff can be written off as rumor-mongering now and again, Collider is among the most rock solid sites Wikipedia sources and cites for entertainment stuff. I won't add it in, but it needs to be added in at this point. --2603:9000:CC02:4E00:A464:41ED:8CA1:ED1F (talk) 23:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Hollywood Reporter is more reliable than Collider. I couldn't find the THR article you're referring to, but Collider's article states: So it isn't confirming anything, just stating that reports appeared and the possibility of them being true. —El Millo (talk) 23:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Based on
The based on space in the infobox is restricted only for the titular character even though 1 more character also has equal importance? Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 01:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. With films and TV shows that haven't premiered yet, we base the "Based on" credits on what was credited in the previous film, i.e. Doctor Strange (2016), where only Doctor Strange is credited. —El Millo (talk) 02:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

👍 Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 10:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring
In the premise section, a user keeps on adding the Unsourced synopsis insisting that it is a 100% fact despite the fact that it is not true if a reliable source do not mention at all.

Please do something about it. Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 09:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Addition of unconfirmed information and improper sourcing to character section for Doctor Strange.
User:Azimnaush recently changed "Cumberbatch also portrays an evil alternate version of Doctor Strange." and the attached source from BGR to "Cumberbatch also portrays the alternate version of the character Doctor Strange Supreme, reprising the role from the animated series What If...?." and sourced it with an article that was speculating and flat out said "It's unclear if the alternate Strange we see at the end of the teaser is the same Strange Supreme from What If...?" On that note, it is inappropriate at this time to add this information as it is not confirmed by any trades, reputable sources, Disney, etc. I've included some messaging warning people against this. - R9tgokunks   ⭕  04:22, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

You forgot to add WandaVision as it was confirmed long ago that it will tie into DS in the MOM Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi all- I started a discussion section below to address this issue. I agree with you R9 but I do think we need to discuss to reach a consensus despite. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2021
Regarding filming breaking between January and March. I worked on the movie on two key scenes at Longcross studios, specifically from January to March, every week. Covid rules were in place and very rigid. Masks and visors were worn and social distancing was firmly in place between takes. But there definitely was no hiatus in those months. Cumberbatch, Olson, and Wong were on set, along with around 200 extras plus crew 92.17.155.115 (talk) 15:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

After the events of Loki?
Neither Loki nor any other character from the series are confirmed to be a part of this movie which makes it somewhat stupid to say after the events of Loki in the plot synopsis of this film given that the studio releases about the plot of the film have only ever said after the events of Avengers Endgame. If anything it should be after the events of Endgame and No Way Home or even WandaVision. Loki should not be in the plot synopsis whatsoever. 105.112.100.73 (talk) 15:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * We have reliable sources that confirm it, referring to the multiverse as seen in the final episode of Loki. —El Millo (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect Blurb reference to time stone.
As the time stone is destroyed, the blurb is completely incorrect. This should be changed or removed completely. Blurb referring to: "Following the further adventures of Dr. Stephen Strange and his research on the Time Stone." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:3287:5700:E068:63D4:F016:B101 (talk) 20:59, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because the Time Stone is destroyed doesn't mean it can't be researched, maybe believing it's the one stone that can be reconstructed. Otherwise I'm still believing the blurb was a red herring given to the press and such to mask the actual motive/impetus--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

FandomWire and Tobey Maguire
So, as many of you probably know, Fandom Wire is claiming that it has been formally disclosed to them that Tobey Maguire is returning as Spider-Man in this movie. How should this source be treated? https://fandomwire.com/tobey-maguire-joins-doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness/?fbclid=IwAR1Y29RHd_LyNzgFMoCNDLF4U1AiEbM-89umNBYtL-cw7taoXaDCfsdVJMk 130.195.253.70 (talk) 00:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it's a reliable source. The source says that "We at FandomWire can exclusively reveal that Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man will have a role to play in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness! Tobey Maguire will of course have a role in the third Spider-Man flick before making his appearance in Doctor Strange 2. Yesterday, photos from JustJared made their way across the web, and fans speculated if he was being fitted for a costume." It says that fans speculated and it isn't confirmed by Maguire himself yet. BaaBaaTheSheep ( talk • ctb ) 05:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Loki evidence
Under “premise” section, it says that the movie follows the events of Loki (2021). But in the Variety article that is used as a reference, it is not clear if this is just an opinion of the author or information provided by marvel or some other informed source. They just state it as a fact as though it is already know knowledge. I think this statement should either be removed from the current page, or the reference should be changed to an article that claims that marvel has said this. 159.196.162.237 (talk) 03:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:VNT, we go by what reliable sources report rather than solely what Marvel says. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Strange Supreme
I do not believe we should be adding anything about Strange Supreme until official sources come out to describe the alternate version of Strange in the trailer. Last we saw him, he had an eternal fate from the Watcher with Killmonger and logically, just as a fan writing, couldn't be the version of Strange in the trailer. In fact, I've seen many theories that many versions of Strange will appear in the film.

This brings me to my next point. I would argue that the sources being used to cite that Strange is Strange Supreme in the trailer are nothing but theory commentary (albeit the authors are confident in themselves writing it) and thus not reliable.

Second point being I personally do not think it is worth mentioning Cumberbatch also plays Strange Supreme anyways, unless it was a different actor we shouldn't include him in the cast section even if it turns out to be the version from What If.

I suggest we discuss and vote on this issue, because I've detected an early on-set of a possible edit war emerging over this. Thanks. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we’ll need to look elsewhere for some sort of precedent regarding how to include the second Strange, other movies where the same actor plays multiple versions of the same character. And they’d need to be film examples, because on Rick and Morty characters list Roiland isn’t mentioned explicitly to voice all the Ricks and Mortys, and Girl Meets World’s character list doesn’t mention the kid actors playing their respective grandparents in "Girl Meets 1961", probably because they’re lesser appearances in the grander sea of 50+ other episodes. For a movie, this is a role that would seem to go in the billeted list, presumably. A role big enough to warrant mention in such a way.--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it most certainly should be mentioned that he plays a different version of the character, but we should hold off on mentioning it as the same version that appears in What If...?. We could mention a similar version appears in the series or something to that effect, but it seems some outlets are just assuming it's the same version when it isn't clear. —El Millo (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with CreecregofLife's point that if it does appear to be the same character when it is officially confirmed by a much more prominent source IE Disney then it should be mentioned somewhere in the cast list even if we don't end up bullet pointing it. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 22:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I also can agree with El Millo, maybe we can add for now at the end: Cumberbatch also portrays a darker version of Strange. A similar character has already appeared in What If? with the first source that was being used previously that casted doubt it was the exact version from that series. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 22:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably "previously" than "already", but yeah I can agree to that--CreecregofLife (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The TVLine source in used in the article is a more explicit confirmation that it is the What If Strange Supreme and can be used to source the info. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly I figured so, but I was willing to work with the process. To me, the only way the character wasn't the version from What If...? was if everything was identical, but this Strange Supreme was one with an amputated thumb long before the accident. Like, some insignificant in the grand scheme deviation that splits a universe that was already a major deviation from the prime one--CreecregofLife (talk) 06:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Favre1, I still disagree. I do not believe a few editorials/reviews jumping to conclusions about the identity of a three second clip of an alternate version of Doctor Strange who may be evil constitutes, at this stage of production and knowledge, listing him as Strange Supreme from What If?.  There is no official confirmation from Disney who this character is.  This is the same reason we do not list industry insiders articles as reliable for characters, who are often more credible than simple journalists.  I do not believe at this stage that these articles are reliable sources for the identity of the "evil" Strange especially due to a high chance that we might have to correct ourselves down the line.


 * For future reference, please refrain from reverting these edits and adding the information again until a definitive conclusion is reached to prevent an edit war. This information isn't crucial to be on Wikipedia yet, besides. We can take our time on this. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 12:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:VNT, we use reliable, third party sources when we can to support information. TVLine is such a source, that is stating it is Strange Supreme. This is a pretty cut and dry case for such inclusion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that, in a case such as this where it's rather obvious the source is just making an assumption, we should at least check if most other reliable sources make that assumption as well. —El Millo (talk) 17:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the thing, is that most of these sources are making assumptions. We currently have no actual way of knowing that the character is Strange Supreme.  I know this isn't the greatest the talking point, but even the MCU Wiki dedicated to the cinematic universe isn't jumping to the assumption that the character is Strange Supreme.  Any editor of a news source without insider confirmation / Disney confirmation / production confirmation at the identity of the presumably evil Doctor Strange is not a reliable source for this specific piece of information.  They have officiality to them.  I also believe that, in the fact it turns out to be Strange Supreme it does not warrant its own line unless it is another actor playing that version of the character.  It is redundant.  This should be denoted in Cumberbatch's initial cast line not another bullet point.


 * A happy medium I am proposing is to write at the end of the first bullet point: Cumberbatch also plays a darker alternate version of Strange, notably similar to a role he played in Marvel's Disney+ series What If? referred to as Doctor Strange Supreme or something to that effect.  It acknowledges the similarity without making definitive assumptions which could turn out to be wrong.Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 18:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I believe that the current version of the article, in which we just say Cumberbatch plays a dark version of the character and leave What If...? speculation to the trailer commentary section, is the best approach for now. All the suggestions that we have of this being Strange Supreme come from assumptions made based on the trailer, so until we get actual confirmation it is best not to do anything more with those assumptions. Personally, I think it is unlikely that this is Strange Supreme since that character was somewhat redeemed by the end of What If...? season 1 and does not seem to be the 'gleefully evil' type that we see in this teaser, but I could be proved wrong about that. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Wait until official confirmation - I spoke a little bit about this above at Talk:Doctor_Strange_in_the_Multiverse_of_Madness I was the first to raise this issue and agree with User:Adamstom.97 and Erik. - R9tgokunks   ⭕  02:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until official confirmation per above arguments. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 01:22, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until official confirmation: I agree with Adam’s point. The wording as is is sufficient. Even with the reports of What If variants appearing in the films, there still needs that official connective tissue/adhesive of explicit connection.--CreecregofLife (talk) 01:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Michael Stuhlbarg Inclusion
Michael Stuhlbarg as Nicodemus West is in the teaser trailer, the shot of him next to Dr. Strange at what appears to be a wedding - should he be added to the cast list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SameOldSatellite (talk • contribs) 16:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I do also think that he should be included. Snowshredder140 (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Should we add him to the bullet list per his inclusion on the Doctor Strange first film? AxGRvS (talk) 12:11, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Defender Strange, Gargantos and Rintrah
Defender Strange has been seen in the Action figures, the same with Rintrah and you can actually see him at the bombing of Kamar-Taj in the trailer. Gargantos has been shown in a Lego Set and should be included MkIc (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * How are we supposed to include Defender Strange? Just call him an alt-universe version?--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we should not name it, given it's come from merchandising and it can be imprecise. —El Millo (talk) 21:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Putting in the cast section something about Gargantos.
Is there any source someone would consider reliable to add some note about that the creature Gargantos is in this film? And add that it resembles Shuma-Gorath in design? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 03:38, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting that information from? - adamstom97 (talk) 04:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is an article talking about Shuma-Gorath/Gargantos in the film http://comicbook.com/marvel/news/doctor-strange-2-multiverse-of-madness-shuma-gorath-gargantos-villain/ AxGRvS (talk) 12:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I asked because I don’t know how to properly cite my sources. And look no offense but I read Comic Book Resources.com and Direct.com I know they’re not always accurate or seem unreliable but at least Direct.com their rumors and what not are accurate at times. Their rumors about Sandman, Lizard, and Matt Murdock were true. Along with Kingpin’s inclusion in Hawkeye. So I kind of have put some trust in them. 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 21:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * CBR is reliable, The Direct is not. See WP:MCURS. It's also not really about how accurate their rumors are. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Press Release
Replying to this edit by Adamstom.97, the press release link (which includes a new synopsis and main cast billing order) comes from this ScreenRant article. It was aso reported by Collider and Comicbook. YgorD3 (talk) 11:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have updated the synopsis based on the new press release. - Richiekim (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022
Change "Following the events of Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) and the first season of Loki (2021),[1][2] Dr. Stephen Strange, with the help of both old and new mystical allies, travels into the multiverse to face a mysterious new adversary.[3]" under Premise to "Following the events of Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021), WandaVision(2021) and the first season of Loki (2021)[1][2] Dr. Stephen Strange, with the help of both old and new mystical allies, travels into the multiverse to face a mysterious new adversary.[3]" OccasionalWikiEdits (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌ for simplicity (and as stated by hidden edit notes) No Way Home is the furthest in the MCU timeline, so thus this film would also be after WandaVision. We go into greater detail regarding the WandaVision connection in the rest of the article, where that is more appropriate. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 12:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Multiverse of Madness takes place after No Way Home. I'm pretty sure that was already confirmed by Kevin Feige and co and NWH is listed as a related movie on its Marvel.com page, specifying the plots are connected together, in addition to the teaser trailer featuring soundbites from NWH. RebelYasha (talk) 18:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Gargantos
Why are we mentioning Gargantos in the Cast section? I somewhat doubt an actor will be voicing the role. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * We know that the character appears in some capacity based on the trailer and promotional material, so I think it still worthy of mentioning since we don't know anything about voice acting, motion capture, etc. If no one is credited in the final product (i.e. it really is just 100% CG with no actor/performer attached), then I think it will be safe to remove it then. It's similar to how the involvement of Kro was listed in the cast list of the early Eternals draft despite being a CG character before we knew he would be voiced/performed by Bill Skarsgård. Granted, I understand that there is significant difference between a humanoid alien and an abstract tentacled monstrosity, but I think the same logic applies until proven otherwise. TNstingray (talk) 14:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That was my rationale of including Gargantos in the cast list at this time. If it happens there is no actor, it could be removed, but to note, for the Elementals in Spider-Man: Far From Home, there are no actors, but they are included in the cast prose because of their significance to the plot and comics origins. So, even if there is no actor, there is a basis for such an inclusion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Cast order
A new billing block for the film curiously lists Chiwetel Ejiofor before Elizabeth Olsen:. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * To play devil's advocate with this, I'm figuring these standees had to have been in production and finalized well before the Super Bowl trailer, which could be edited (in theory) right up to its airing/release. So it's possible the Super Bowl trailer is the "most" current. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:21, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Professor X
So that was totally Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier from the Fox X-Men films. Do we hold out on adding him to the cast section until it's actually confirmed by Marvel because it seems incredibly obvious — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelYasha (talk • contribs) 23:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * With the new trailer debuting and it obviously including the voice of Patrick Stewart returning as Professor X it should at least be hidden, but reverted under the cause of “not confirmed”. If it’s hidden then it should remain there until we get confirmation in the movie. Didn’t we do this same thing with Andrew and Tobey for NWH? --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 23:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And Andrew and Tobey had exactly zero trailer presence. Their involvement was solely through leaks--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If he's in the trailer, he should be put in the cast list. 2600:8800:170E:A200:1596:A920:C3D4:DFF3 (talk) 00:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So is every extra in the trailer supposed to be in the cast list too? Also, Mysterious Voice is Mysterious Voice--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah up until the premiere cast members like Tobey, Andrew and Charlie Cox were hidden until they were basically shown on-screen. At least there I could see that they weren't physically shown in any trailers or even remotely hinted at until the film came out despite being heavily subject to pretty damning leaks. Xavier is slightly different case where we literally hear the man talk, he sounds an awful lot like Patrick Stewart and they even show a pretty bald looking head just out of focus for a few frames. I feel like if they wanted it not to be known to the public he was in the film they wouldn't have done that and saved it for the movie like Sony and Marvel tried to do with the other Spider-Men, Sony Venom and Matt Murdock. That's just me though (talk) 00:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)RebelYasha

Here is a link from cnet saying Patrick Stewart is Professor X and Monica Rambeau is in the film. Since it is more of a moderate-tier source compared to Variety or Deadline I'm not sure if it justifies adding to the cast. Link: https://www.cnet.com/news/doctor-strange-2-trailer-introduces-charles-xavier-and-evil-wanda/--Taynix (talk) 00:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's their assumption, not a fact--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:45, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing is confirmed, maybe it's a false lead like the fake Pietro: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1F:9300:A01:A17D:A1C:A843:20D6 (talk) 09:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I doubt they're doing the Pietro thing again. That was clearly just to service the story WandaVision wanted to tell that provided a misdirect to add to Wanda's character arc. Plus, Evan Peters' involvement as "Pietro" in the series was an extremely close-guarded secret despite the fact we knew he was in the show. If they were willing to bring in the previous live-action Spider-Men in NWH, clearly this is something else. Especially considering that whole portion of the trailer seems to set up the involvement of the Illuminati which Xavier and even Strange himself were part of in the comics. RebelYasha (talk) 15:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I would hold off on putting Patrick Stewart in the cast list (or even in the article itself), as there is nothing official about his involvement in the film, just a voice which sounds like him and a LOT of fan speculation. Natg 19 (talk) 01:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I really feel that Stewart should be removed until he's confirmed. Yes, we all know that's him, but there's currently no way to prove that it is him and not just someone who does an amazing impression of him. Stewart was very coy about it when asked. An overwhelming majority of the sources admit that it's just speculation that he's in the film. JDDJS ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 16:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

I will note here I think Stewart should be left in. Yes, we could be sticklers for the rules but sometimes common sense should prevail. He is in the film, as confirmed by the trailer. Maguire and Garfield were not in any marketing. Rhino131 (talk) 14:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this confirmation? https://comicbook.com/movies/news/patrick-stewart-confirms-professor-xavier-return-marvel-doctor-strange-multiverse-of-madness/ Kailash29792 (talk)  09:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * He appears to confirm that it is his voice, but I don't think we could say anymore than that. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Funko Pops
Don't know if these can be used to source Doctor Strange's variants ("Defender Strange" and "Supreme Strange"), plus the new "Sara" character? InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I was about to add that source in for the variant names. Not really sure how we can use for Sara, as we have no character info or an actor to put with them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm swapping the Marvel.com source for this one from /Film and it goes more into who Sara could be. Perhaps some of the speculation could go in Post-production? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

The Illuminati's inclusion in the film
Apparently I saw on a tweet on Twitter that there was part in maybe The Empire Magazine issue about the film that the Illuminati is in the film. Something about of the characters standing in front of that group. Look maybe someone if they have the magazine they could look through it just to maybe verify it? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 04:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean like this? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:14, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it a good legit enough source? If so shouldn’t that be included in the article about the Illuminati itself? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that one can be used here and elsewhere. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Italian poster
See what you can do: https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/doctor-strange-2-poster-censored-in-italy-hand-gesture/ Kailash29792 (talk)  12:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Supreme Strange
Is Supreme Strange the same character as Strange Supreme from What If...?? Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Similar naming, but different character altogether. – SirDot (talk) 04:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't know yet and therefore can't put it in the article. Multiverses mean even the most minute difference could mean a totally different universe. Like "Everything's the same, but one woman wears floral dresses instead of solids!". Yes it's dumb, but for this, it's powerfully dumb. CreecregofLife (talk) 04:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * They have similar names, but we don't have a concrete source saying they are the same, especially given we also have "Sinister Strange". The Zombie Strange from What If is in this film, but we'll have to wait and see if "Supreme Strange" is the same as Doctor Strange Supreme. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * While we're at it, I don't think this source alone is enough for us to say that Zombie Strange and Zombie Wanda are the same ones from What If...?. This just seems like CBR's interpretation, no different than sources which say Patrick Stewart is reprising his role as Professor X. We can add this to the section, of course. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * By the way, we do have a source saying Supreme Strange is Strange Supreme, taken from the Marketing section. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Bueller? Bueller? InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:11, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The Empire magazine source stated Supreme Strange is not the What If variant. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@infinitenexus Wasn't Zombie Strange killed when Wasp summoned an army of wasps after him and Zombie Wong and Zombie Stark? Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 15:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * That's right. And the Zombie Strange in that trailer looked more like zombie version of Defender Strange. But of course we need either a source or the film released first. --CAJH (talk) 18:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Other reasons to never be sure about whether it's the desired genuine article: It can pull from a point before they're killed, or be a nearly identical universe, differentiated by possibly anything, even stuff that has fuck all to do with Strange or anyone who knows him CreecregofLife (talk) 18:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2022
under cast, input “The organization the Illuminati (Marvel Comics) will also appear in the film” as in the most recent trailer released the variant Mordo stated that the said organization will see Strange now after he is captured. Jackiexo (talk) 12:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

this would help to broaden the readers knowledge of the movie before seeing it and provide much needed information about certain cast members roles Jackiexo (talk) 12:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Also, there would have to be secondary sourcing to show this was WP:DUE. Furthermore, we generally don't include an organization as a cast member. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Final theatrical poster
https://twitter.com/marvel/status/1518968149185544195?s=21&t=9whM5ktNExoELwJiNsxcDg Have at it, the source used for the upload should be updated soon with this one (which I think is the one we should use - I’ve already uploaded it). --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 15:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems more like licensed art rather than a theatrical release poster. — SirDot (talk) 23:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That too was my thought at first, but the tweets clearly say, i.e. the theatrical release poster. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The other one looked much more like a traditional theatrical poster. This one doesnt really feel like one even though it's considered the final poster. -- Zoo (talk) 04:01, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this means anything, but Disney Movie Insiders calls the previous poster the "payoff poster", which is the industry term for the theatrical release poster. Fandango, Atom, AMC, Regal, and Cinemark use the old one as well. Anybody in favor of switching back? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:08, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I am CreecregofLife (talk) 04:11, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with switching back. -- Zoo (talk) 04:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I reverted it back to the previous one. Hope that takes care of everything! MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 05:43, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Great. InfiniteNexus (talk) 14:02, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Budget
Is this a reliable source for the $200 million budget?--79.17.158.232 (talk) 09:59, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. – SirDot (talk) 16:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Captain Carter basically confirmed in new TV spot
A recent unlisted TV spot on the Marvel Canada YT channel flat out showed Peggy Carter/Captain Carter from What If? fighting Wanda, complete with shield and what looked like a jetpack in addition to a brief shot of Professor X in his golden hoverchair from the comics and 90's animated series. Carter was already thought to be in the film based on her shield in the poster but that seems like reasonable enough ground to at least entertain putting her in the cast/characters list like Patrick Stewart

RebelYasha (talk) 20:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Not guaranteed to be the same one from the same dimension chronicled CreecregofLife (talk) 20:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Added but wrote “undisclosed actor” as even though it’s guaranteed to be Atwell that has not been confirmed. I mentioned the character first appeared in What If? but did not mention it was the same variant from the TV show. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 21:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m sure that “not explicitly stated to be the same variant” will be at the very least pedantry (at the very most blatant obtusity, obstruction and obfuscation) once the film is released, but until that happens, treat it like we’ve been treating Strange Supreme (with the temporary actress obscurity) CreecregofLife (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Soundtrack track listing
Here. Warning: contains potential spoilers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:06, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Illuminati Leak
Should we add the Illuminati leak into the article? I would add this as it confirms... some pretty big cameos. Foxx247 (talk) 13:03, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is already an ongoing discussion on that matter (see here). Other editors and I agree on waiting for the premiere before adding the details about the leaks. Kindly share your thoughts on the linked discussion. Thank you. Centcom08 (talk) 13:08, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Raimi's latest interview
See what you can add: https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sam-raimi-spider-man-4-doctor-strange-1235255163/ Kailash29792 (talk)  03:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Information in this interview was pulled from Raimi's Rolling Stone interview, which has largely now been covered in the article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:02, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

UK release date
I think we should mention that the film is releasing a day earlier (May 5) in the UK (and potentially in other countries; I'm not too sure), but I don't know if it's a general procedure to only include the US release date. Add or no? Rajdooot (talk) 23:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Rajdooot Kindly provide a reliable source confirming the UK release a day ahead of the US premiere (take note that we only include details about an early wide theatrical release from English-speaking countries). Centcom08 (talk) 02:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is a source regarding the release date being May 5. -- Zoo (talk) 02:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The information has been added. Thank you so much. Centcom08 (talk) 02:39, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Should we include Spoilers?
User:BarrySteakfries has added to Reed Richards and Black Bolt that they appear in this film, and I came to this article to see if it mentioned either of them, but I do not see that here. Should we include these appearances in this article, or the articles about the characters? BOZ (talk) 03:56, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hell no, they're leaks. We can wait 4 days if they're real CreecregofLife (talk) 04:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at the addition of details in both articles, the sources that support them are from Reddit and Twitter which states that they are leaks(judging by the titles of the sources). So, I think we should not include them until the movie comes out. Jolly1253 (talk) 04:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Besides, they’re also not from official and/or reliable sources. So the leaking sources definitely can’t be used CreecregofLife (talk) 04:31, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest we include the info the Los Angeles premiere happens (based on if they actually appear). – SirDot (talk) 05:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd wait til Thursday night at the earliest. For the reliable sources CreecregofLife (talk) 05:31, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Understandable. – SirDot (talk) 06:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Like, I’m pretty sure all casting sources pre-release stay up post-release, and especially if these roles end up getting prose instead of bullets, these roles should have that support CreecregofLife (talk) 06:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @BOZ Here is the discussion in regards to whether to add the spoiler leak or wait until the premiere before adding it to the article. Centcom08 (talk) 07:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Any and all leaks should not be included or discussed in articles like these unless they are highly discussed by major media outlets and gained high traffic, as was done with Spider-Man: No Way Home. For that, it is my understanding that a precedent to include information on leaks was not meant to be set, especially with something this close to release and of such low quality. By the time the film releases, or even after its premiere today, outlets will report on who is in the film, so there's WP:NORUSH to include such information. Most leaks should be treated as WP:RUMORS until the information is officially confirmed by outlets. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To emphasize the execution of RUMORS over SPOILERS, SPOILERS specifically pertains to already released films, in effect authorized to be out there to find out. If you can’t go to the theater to get the info (speaking as it is a theatrical release), it ain’t authorized here CreecregofLife (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to deny reality. I would've figured No Way Home's leaks would be a teaching moment for the folks here, but I guess not... --2603:9000:CC02:4E00:C02A:7FB1:EABE:6B64 (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Except it’s not reality because A) Their casting hasn’t been confirmed B) The movie isn’t released yet and C) Using leaks is using wholly illegal sources let alone unreliable CreecregofLife (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * On that point, I don't think the source is actually an illegal one: the reason the r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers mods on Reddit gave for it still being allowed up is that it was not illegally filmed in a cinema; someone filmed the actual digital file of the film. If it were illegally filmed they would not be allowed to keep it up lest the subreddit be shut down, like others had been in the past. BarrySteakfries (talk) 19:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh my god you can't be this naive. Do you think r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers is run by Marvel Studios? CreecregofLife (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I am just talking about how copyright works on Reddit. Despite the name, they (the team of that particular subreddit) do not allow users to upload illegal cinema recordings of films there. It is a grey area, but the form of the leak was a legal one. BarrySteakfries (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A leak is still a leak, and we are not Reddit. CreecregofLife (talk) 19:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * And you are not a mod. 2603:9000:CC02:4E00:56B:BBD1:339:53F8 (talk) 01:42, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

The user who posted this content originally has been blocked as a sockpuppet. BOZ (talk) 00:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Indeed! Quite the turn of events. I saw them making some edits that didn't seem to be problematic, but they're all being reverted. I wonder what they knew about his MO that made the edits revertable CreecregofLife (talk) 00:21, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What the hell are you talking about? I've never sockpuppeped nor am I a sockpuppet. 2603:9000:CC02:4E00:56B:BBD1:339:53F8 (talk) 01:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is borderline WP:NOTAFORUM. Including this information is both original research and also falls under the concept of a forum in regards to theories and leaks and the whatnot. Publish information that is considered under a secondary reliable source. I suggest NOT adding this information considering it appears unprofessional, but if reliable sources do mention it, then I suggest adding it. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 01:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Just want to let everyone know that Hayley Atwell and Lashana Lynch have stepped foot on the red carpet at the premiere. Safe to say that Atwell is portraying live-action Captain Carter and Lynch is Maria Rambeau/Captain Marvel. RebelYasha (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * That's still speculation. The Agents of SHIELD cast was at Marvel movie premieres, don't know how invited they still are, but they were, and only Gregg ever appeared again for Captain Marvel. Even a search of "Liz Henstridge movie premiere" shows her at the premieres of Winter Soldier, Guardians 1, Ultron, Civil War, Guardians 2, Black Panther Captain Marvel, and Endgame. Black Panther's pic has her with Chloe and Ming who also never appeared. CreecregofLife (talk) 02:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, we saw both of them in official footage. Like I get not spoiling what hasn't been officially shown in trailers and whatnot but we saw both of them extremely prominently. We already know Captain Carter is in the film, and you can put two and two together with Hayley Atwell being at the premiere and her voicing the character which she also previously played in live-action under different circumstances, and we saw Lashana Lynch in all of the recent promotional material including the last trailer so I don't really view this in the realm of speculation at all actually. You can make a case potentially for Patrick Stewart who even though is more than likely playing Professor X as part of the Illuminati, was never shown completely in any footage despite his voice being heard, but these are different RebelYasha (talk) 02:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This still has very SYNTH and Original Research aromas CreecregofLife (talk) 02:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I’d also like to add: Not everyone can be a J. K. Simmons…I wasn’t here for what happened when he was spotted at the FFH premiere, but I imagine there wasn’t an immediate jump to declare that Jameson was in it until the articles reporting the appearance were more factual than speculative CreecregofLife (talk) 03:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is insanity. Why the hell are you even calling any shots around here? --2603:9000:CC02:4E00:56B:BBD1:339:53F8 (talk) 04:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * In other words, provide a reliable source or you are wasting talk page space. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

In response to much of this discussion, we will not be adding information on such characters from this leak being in the film until after reliable trade sites like Variety, Deadline Hollywood, The Hollywood Reporter, /Film, Collider, Rolling Stone, Vulture-and to a lesser extent, Screen Rant, Comic Book Resources, and ComicBook.com, report on said appearances following the film's global release on May 5. There is likely to be some information coming out from the reviews, as the review embargo drops on the 3rd. Just because a certain actor attends a premiere for a certain project does not mean they are in the film, as this is WP:SYNTHESIS. As I stated, the No Way Home leaks are not being treated as a "lesson", as the editors of that article who mainly dealt with those leaks (myself included) did not intend for that distinct circumstance to set a precedent of including any leaks as others see fit. What is likely can not be added unless a reliable source confirms it is true based on the film itself, and not by sheer speculation and connecting the dots. This is how the MCU taskforce handles these types of leaks, and these leaks will not be added unless confirmed from the film. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

No horror genre?
I get it's a subgenre, though I wonder if it should be included? (Probably not for the sake of simplicity) GreenGrenier (talk) 01:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about the lead? The infobox film template has no genre parameter. All MCU films are by default superhero films, and WP:FILMGENRE pretty much says to link one genre. – SirDot (talk) 02:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant the part where it says "[movie] is a superhero" film, I wonder if anyone would put "[movie] is a superhero {horror} film"? (Brightburn for reference) GreenGrenier (talk) 02:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2022
include the ways the movie has been praised. many review sites such as IGN and rotten tomatoes have said that raimis direction, olsen and cumberbatch performance were highlights, but some said the script was the weakest link Jackiexo (talk) 03:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * . Olsen, Cumberbatch and script haven't been reflected in . – SirDot (talk) 03:38, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We do have “Chang praised the performances, particularly Cumberbatch's and Olsen…” so it is there. Whether we get other pieces doing the same and say so without it being repetitive and bloated probably remains to be seen CreecregofLife (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Reception in lead section?
I would suggest adding in praise for Raimi's direction, as there are many reviews that praise Raimi's direction and vision for the film. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have some sources we can use? – SirDot (talk) 00:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion we should wait until May 6 before potentially adding anything in the lead, because many reviews could have spoilers, even if they're unintentional. -- Zoo (talk) 00:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought critics were posting spoiler-free reviews today? – SirDot (talk) 00:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Most do, but at least for past movies, some critics have actually spoiled parts of the movie. -- Zoo (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Most certainly. If the spoiler embargo had been lifted 3 days before release, something would be up, and YouTube would be flooded CreecregofLife (talk) 00:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @ZooBlazer That's a good point, however, can we expand the Reception section itself with some of the reviews today? There are good reviews, from THR, Variety, The Guardian, TheWrap, IndieWire, and LA Times to add. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 01:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel like that would be fine unless there's a rule for when that section is allowed to be expanded. -- Zoo (talk) 01:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Here are some reviews:
 * https://ew.com/movies/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-reviews-roundup/
 * https://variety.com/2022/film/news/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-first-reactions-1235255717/
 * https://www.thewrap.com/doctor-strange-2-reviews-reactions-marvel/
 * https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-05-03/doctor-strange-2-review-multiverse-of-madness-marvel
 * https://www.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-review
 * https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-reviews/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-benedict-cumberbatch-1235139596/
 * Many of the reviews highlight Raimi's hallmark traits, such as his distinctive filmmaking techniques (particularly his cinematography and use of the horror genre). Dcdiehardfan (talk) 00:59, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I was seeing a lot of praise for Benedict and Elizabeth on Twitter, are we sure none of that is in the publications? CreecregofLife (talk) 01:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @CreecregofLife The performances of the film can also be highlight, obviously, I have a feeling that there can be more reviews which will highlight them, and more will come in in the future anyways, so again, WP:NORUSH here. With this being said, I do think that once the Reception section is fully created and the reviews fully formed, Raimi's direction can be highlighted. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw tons of praise for Xochitl as well from the reviews I saw on Twitter. -- Zoo (talk) 01:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I can generally check the reviews and write them over to . Good thing, the EW source that was cited practically summarizes most of the other cited sources. – SirDot (talk) 01:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @SirDot Ok, sounds good, you can write them over, and I can maybe copyedit and do WP:LDR if needed. Do you want to split it between us or just add all the reviews in for now? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 01:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have finished the EW and Deadline sources (and their LDR-ing) and seems to have done the Den and Variety sources. That leaves The Wrap, LA Times, IGN, and THR. I think I'm gonna do IGN and THR, then maybe you or Centcom can copyedit and write the Wrap-LA Times sources. – SirDot (talk) 01:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @SirDot @Centcom08 Ok, I'll do Wrap and LA Times, and I'll also CE it once you guys add in the reviews. I'll also see if I can add in any additional reviews. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 01:30, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, I am not aware of the discussion here. Sorry about that, I was reading the reviews from Den of Geek and Variety when this discussion happened. If you have added additional reviews then go ahead, I might add some later and rearrange the reviews from "good" to "bad". Centcom08 (talk) 01:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * EW and Deadline have been added, thanks to yours truly. The EW MoM reviews roundup also includes Time and IndieWire, so you guys can use that. (hop to IGN I go!) – SirDot (talk) 01:38, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Centcom08 @SirDot Alrighty then guys, that sounds very good. Thanks for your edits, I'm going to add in IndieWire, The Guardian, and The AV Club, and also CE it if I can. You guys did most of the heavy lifting, so yea, I'm gonna see if I can tidy up the section and stuff. :) Dcdiehardfan (talk) 01:44, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Hollywood Reporter and IGN ✅. – SirDot (talk) 02:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good work everyone. If you need another set of eyes for c/e, let me know. -- Zoo (talk) 02:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @ZooBlazer Hey man, I think you're needed here haha. Ok everyone, so I inserted some reviews, I did not do WP:LDR for them though, so feel free to do that. :)  Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:44, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I can do WP:LDR while I c/e the section. -- Zoo (talk) 03:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I did some c/e, but I think we need to change up the wording before the quote in the EW review. But I'm not sure how to do it best. Leah Greenblatt from Entertainment Weekly praised Raimi's take on Doctor Strange, feeling the film like "many disparate and often deeply confusing things — comedy, camp horror, maternal drama, sustained fireball". Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong and it's completely fine for everyone else. -- Zoo (talk) 04:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer The wording does seem a bit off to me. Can you provide additional context?

Update: Here is the full quote, "The director's take on Doctor Strange (in theaters May 6) feels like many disparate and often deeply confusing things — comedy, camp horror, maternal drama, sustained fireball — but it is also not like any other Marvel movie that came before it." The final part should also be noted in the quote. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 04:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC) she had incorrectly said it was 23 films – SirDot (talk) 05:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * How about:
 * That works I think. Just make sure to remove the comma between camp and horror. -- Zoo (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yea, that sounds good to me too. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 05:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Fix please
Book of Vishanti not Ishanti. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.54.147.103 (talk) 01:51, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Who wrote this plot section??
It reads like a high school freshman's book report and is missing a lot of details and plot points. There are also crucial scenes that appear to be missing or incorrect altogether.

The plot section shouldn't have been written yet at all imo, especially if it's this messy.

Can it be removed until it's been released in NA? 126.108.119.226 (talk) 04:12, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it would be pointless to remove the plot section until North American release. The UK release is today, so there's really no point in deleting the plot section for a few hours. It'll be best to reword it as more people see the film. GeniusReading2310 (talk) 06:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Professor X’s role
Given the recent TV spot name dropped the Illuminati group and Stewart’s confirmed involvement with the film, plus the recent ScreenX reveal of the yellow headset which resembles the ‘92 series, should we update his description here but keep it hidden until the release of the film and then update as necessary? I propose something like:

“ “
 * Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier / Professor X: A mutant with uncharted telepathic powers who serves as a member of the Illuminati. Stewart reprises his role as the character but is unrelated to the X-Men films version, and is more accurate to the 1992 TV series design, with a hoverchair in place of a wheelchair.

As of right now I’m aware this kinda borderlines WP:SYNTH but we practically did this with Garfield and Maguire for NWH. Thoughts? --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 22:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC) A mutant with telepathic powers. Stwart previously portrayed a version of Xavier in 20th Century Fox's X-Men film series.
 * You’re still going on speculation. You don’t know right now how faithfully they’re going to adapt the Illuminati, you’re just assuming it CreecregofLife (talk) 22:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Best we can use is a description of the character. I support adding him unhidden in the bulleted cast list (just don't link to the film series version until we're 100% certain he's playing a variant of the Fox version); adjusting your suggestion to reconcile information presented in the article.
 * Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier / Professor X:
 * The general prose in the Cast section about Xavier should stay. — SirDot (talk) 23:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This can work but the only problem is neither he nor anyone at Marvel have confirmed he is returning as Xavier despite it being 100% obvious he is. That’s WP:SYNTH. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 23:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You're right, all this is WP:SYNTH, and possibly WP:OR as well. We currently do not have enough evidence that he is playing Professor X in the film. I'm not sure what you mean by, as far as I know the info was hidden until the film's premiere. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What I meant by that was even though it was extremely obvious they were in it because of leaks we kept their additions hidden until the movie premiered and we were able to confirm it. In a way this is basically the same with Professor X given that it is pretty much guaranteed now based on Stewart’s confirmation of his role he will appear as the character in the film — but since it is not out yet we leave that until officially verified in movie. You can probably say it is Professor X given the ScreenX trailer revealed the rest of the chair he was sitting on (very similar to the 1992 series and only used by Xavier himself) and that no other reason could explain why he’s there. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 04:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's still SYNTH. It's different from a promoted recurring character to series regular with a bio waiting for them in the cast list between seasons. That's concrete stuff being reported while at this point for this those same reliable sources are speculating just as you are CreecregofLife (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how best to put this (I'm not the original person who started this post, but the Xavier in the film is the one from the animated show, not the fox universe - When he appears on screen there's a musical sting - the opening theme to the show. This also makes sense IRL - Stewart said he didn't want to play fox Xavier again after his ending in Logan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.111.85 (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Cast cleanup
I don't think "Defender Wong" made it into the final cut, also there is only one version of Karl Mordo, as Strange only met him once in only one other universe. Matthew hk (talk) 13:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, i think Stewart has listed in the end credit, so that it is not "undisclosed". It is only "undisclosed" before the premiere. Matthew hk (talk) 13:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Matthew hk Kindly provide a reliable source to prove your claim to avoid WP:NOR. Centcom08 (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So the pre-release source are reliable ? None of the should relevant to the final cut which the casting section should use post-release webpage instead. For Stewart, yeah it is "borderline" original research that he is in the movie trailer right? Matthew hk (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2022
Plot summary has Earth-616 listed as the main movie universe. 616 is the comic book version, Earth-199999 is the main movie universe. 184.23.213.160 (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Whilst the article refers to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Earth-616, such is quite simply but the Marvel Comics Universe, whilst the MCU is dubbed Earth-199999. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.43.49.56 (talk) 00:51, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


 * ……That’s because Earth-838 designated the MCU Earth-616. Though I will say I’m not sure it should be the definitive designation. Like, Strange may personally adopt it, Talos might still believe it (from Mysterio's hero narrative), but we have no idea if it will be adopted more widely in an in-universe official capacity. CreecregofLife (talk) 01:01, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Unlink maybe?
an alternate version and Doctor Strange in same sentence links both to Doctor Strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.54.147.103 (talk) 06:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Plot And Improved Cast
A Plot section needs to be added and the Cast section should be improved by adding the characters that are now confirmed such as Professor X and Mister Fantastic. MarvelMovieFan (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * "Now confirmed" Where? Are you seeing people from May 4-releasing countries raving? CreecregofLife (talk) 20:15, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually there are people from other countries outside the U.S. already seeing the film right now. I'm already seeing outlets reporting on stuff like the Illuminati scene and the post-credits scenes and some footage has already leaked online as a result of presumably early releases abroad. Someone is also adding a summarized plot to the plot section of this article. RebelYasha (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't Jett Klyne and Jullian Hilliard be included in the cast area (instead of the paragraph) because they were put in the end credits as starring along with the rest of the cast? Small5th (talk) 14:18, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


 * We usually go by the order on the theatrical poster, so I don’t think so. Sometimes there are exceptions, such as No Way Home where we had to resort to the main-on-end credits because the theatrical poster didn’t have a billing block. Plus they appeared for a combined total of like 10 minutes or less versus Garfield and Maguire’s ~40 minutes in NWH which was a good chunk of that film. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 17:01, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

The Darkhold
Is there any particular reason why we're italicizing pretty much every mention of the Darkhold in the plot? Is there some sort of policy I'm missing here? GeniusReading2310 (talk) 16:30, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @GeniusReading2310 per MOS:ITALICTITLE, names of books are italicized. Clyde2_3^9 (👋|🗣|✍️) 16:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. GeniusReading2310 (talk) 16:57, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! Clyde2_3^9 (👋 • 🗣 • ✍️) 17:02, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

The Living Tribunal
Is it even worth mentioning this in the cast section? Having seen the film, the "character" appears as a background element for a couple of seconds, has no lines of dialogue and contributes precisely zero to the plot. The Living Tribunal is a cast member in the same way that Wedding Guest #34 is a cast member. Thecarterclan1 (talk) 04:55, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * "The Living Tribunal is a cast member in the same way that Wedding Guest #34 is a cast member." This is my favorite wikipedia talk page comment EVER!! 64.72.40.86 (talk) 03:22, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

This is an edit request because I don't know if I should be doing it
Would it be feasible if this part: {based on Marvel Comics featuring the character Doctor Strange} be changed to {based on Marvel Comics character Doctor Strange} for clarity? The Batman for reference 112.198.254.161 (talk) 14:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It’s not based on what other movies do, it’s how the movie itself does the crediting CreecregofLife (talk) 14:32, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2022
Scarlet witch's death is not confirmed in the movie. She is alive. In the plot, it is written as she sacrificed herself. 49.206.59.127 (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail [✉️] 15:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hence the wording "apparently sacrificing herself", which is consistent with her death not being confirmed. Not sure what the issue here is. Thecarterclan1 (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Reception
I think it's important to note the audience's reception going around is a lot more negative than critics. Even a few critics are giving negative reviews calling this film a mess. Note that to make the reception less biased. I wouldn't even say the film received positive reviews. It's a lot more mixed if you ask me. 2A00:23C6:AF08:E701:E145:F525:2E26:7A17 (talk) 13:22, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * If it’s a lot more mixed then you’d have reliable sources. Audience scores are unreliable because they broke that trust with Captain Marvel CreecregofLife (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * CinemaScore and PostTrak are reliable sources for audience response so included, seem fairly inline with critics Indagate (talk) 14:39, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The CinemaScore rating, B+, is actually the second-lowest for any MCU movie (anything under A for a blockbuster is considered a disappointment, I suppose), https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/doctor-strange-2-multiverse-of-madness-mcu-lowest-cinemascore/ so it's clear the movie is more divisive among audiences than usual for an MCU movie, not surprising given the content.
 * The "generally positive reviews" term seems a bit much considering the overall tenor of the reviews, but in any case it should not say that only the "pacing" received criticism. The script has been criticized even in reviews that call it an overal enjoyable movie. 2607:FEA8:E3DC:F100:935:D623:D796:E4BE (talk) 00:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Opening Weekend
I normally don't tend to edit the box office section of film articles, as I'm relatively unfamiliar with how that works, but feel free to add info from these sources. Dr. Strange 2 grossed $185 domestically and $265 internationally on its opening weekend. Additional statistics are also entailed in the sources below:

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/doctor-strange-2-box-office-opening-weekend-disney-marvel-cinematic-universe-1235261390/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/doctor-strange-sequel-box-office-opening-1235141845/

https://deadline.com/2022/05/doctor-strange-2-box-office-1235018006/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/05/08/box-office-marvels-doctor-strange-2-frontloads-to-185-million-weekend/?sh=385952ef1f9d Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * We should wait for final numbers after the weekend is done, these are still projections. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:20, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dcdiehardfan Yes. Wait for the Monday AM update of Deadline Hollywood. So far, the noted box office information is the Thursday release from 20 markets. The domestic box office will be soon added. Centcom08 (talk) 03:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Illuminati death
Illuminati's death's are most gruesome MCU has ever been. I think plot needs to expand on that. 122.175.66.217 (talk) 18:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No, it doesn't. How gruesome the deaths are has no bearing on the plot and would vault the plot summary over the word limit CreecregofLife (talk) 18:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Raimi quote needs fixing
This text and quote is mangled a bit (and believeing is misspelled) :
 * Director Sam Raimi explained that Strange begins the film believeing he should "control of all the decisions"...
 * -- Marcus Rugman (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ That was my bad, thanks for pointing it out. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)