Talk:Dog breeding/Archive 1

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 * "Veterinarian and author Dr. Michael Fox claims that, "The best use of pedigree papers is for housebreaking your dog. They don't mean a damn thing. You can have an immune- deficient puppy that is about to go blind and has epilepsy, hip dysplasia, hemophilia and one testicle, and the AKC will register it."[6]"

This is inflammatory and a criticism of the AKC, not dog breeding. The AKC doesn't require any sort of health standards for it's purebred program other than a glossy coat and loud bark. Anyway, removing for relevance, doesn't apply to dog breeding outside the U.S.A.

Someone has come through and added "It only takes 7 weeks" to the end of many paragraphs, so cleaning them up as well. Taurich (talk) 13:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Animal rights group PETA has compared the American Kennel Club to the Ku Klux Klan, claiming that AKC adds to the pet overpopulation problem by encouraging breeding pure bred dogs when millions of dogs are killed yearly in US animal shelters.


 * Getting rid of that as well, for same reason as above. Criticism of the American Kennel Council should be kept to the AKC page -- Taurich (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I redirected Dog breeder to Dog breeding.

This info was on Dog Breeder, and any useful info should be merged into this article


 * Dog Breeder


 * A dog breeder is a person that breeds dogs for either a living or as a hobby. The puppies are then sold to famillies or individuals that would like companion.When looking for a breeder make sure you find one with a good reputation and one that knows how to do it properly. If you choose a breeder with a bad reputation the result will probably be an unhealthy puppy. You can tell that a puppy is unhealthy if:


 * the mother looks unhealthy
 * their is a crust forming around the eyes and nose


 * And remember, do not choose the runt of the group because it is more vulernable to many sickneses and do not choose the dog that seems to be the leader of the group because it may be turn out to be a vicious dog when it matures. Choose a pup in the middle. If you are not sure which dog to pick, consult with your veterinarian.

&mdash;siro&chi;o 02:17, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure where this information is coming from. In many breeds, the leader of the group when a puppy often becomes more submissive when older. It's like assigning a lifelong personality to a 5-year-old child. If that were true, I'd be a despot. --Waterspyder 23:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Breeder Knowledge
The second paragraph says the following:
 * The skilled breeder has at least general knowledge of genetics and health, and in-depth knowledge of the breed standard and conformation points of his chosen breed.(emphasis added)

If it were not for the fact that this sort of ignorance causes genetic problems and the ruination of working breeds, it would be hilarious. The fact that most people see the understanding of ridiculous conformation standards as more important the health and genetics is what has given us the Bulldog that must be delivered by cesearian section and the American Cocker Spaniel that looks like Cousin It with a head too small to hold a pheasant. The fact that something as arbitrary and frankly silly as conformation points should dictate breeding decisions is a breath-taking assertion. The idea that a professional breeder should have only a general understanding of health and genetics is irresponsible. I would suggest that a breeder should understand the purpose for which the dogs were developed and what the likely health and genetic consequences of his or her breeding selections will be. Understanding a standard is not understanding the purpose for which the dogs were developed. Jack Russels and Dachshunds were developed for the same work, but look drastically different. Form and function are only tenuously related. Breeders should understand the function, not the form.--Counsel 19:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

September 2007 comment
I have read scores of articles on dog breeding and it strikes me that most people become downright inflamed on this topic with very strong points of view. The general public wants all dogs to act the same and just have different outside appearances. We should be able to pull their tails, fall on them with full body weight while they are sleeping and they should never under any circumstance growel or bite. However breeders of pure bred dogs should always remember the function of the breed they are breeding. A dog bred for hunting cannot and should not ignore what is happening around it. If it is bred that way it loses its ability to hunt. People who claim to love a particular breed and then breed out the traits that have caused them to be interesting enough to be bred over the years of service degrade their favorite breed. I also find it interesting that some people advocate not choosing the runt or largest most active pup. Surely someone must be a good potential owner for these dogs or are they advocating the destruction of these pups?? I also find it an odd idea that people should return a dog that they acquire that is unhealthy (genetically unfit). Isn't that a puppy death sentence? Maybe there should be a place to report such problems so that the next unsuspecting buyer isn't faced with the same horrible situation. Handing it back to the breeder so they can cover the trail seems a bad situation to me. That having been said there are no sure things just better possibilities. We increase the odds of healthy puppies by testing hips, eyes etc. we do not totally insure the possibilities. Dog breeders are unlikely to reveal problems they know to exist in their lineage, they do however usually require any testing available to minimize its out cropping before breeding. The backyard breeder is at risk in that he or she is not in the gossip pool to hear what may have taken place in the past in a particular breeders line but they are not necessarily bad breeders particularly if they do their research. They are more likely to keep the gene pool somewhat widened which is good for breeding if done carefully. I find it very interesting that we are so interested in carefully selecting the mates of dogs and do no testing to insure our own offspring are not homozygous for any particular genetic disorders. Odd that some people become extremely irate over a lack of testing in a dog and wouldn't consider testing humans themselves, I wonder why we have such a duality in our thoughts on genetics. I've heard it said that backyard breeders do detriment to the breed because they won't cull the pups. I believe that means kill the pups that don't fit the breed standard. They are probably correct. People who profess to love dogs can be pretty ruthless sometimes. On the topic of money. Breeders all take money for their pups in fact they get extremely upset if you don't charge the going rate for them. It is always part of breeding and as with any part of life, ethics can never be assured, we all have choices to make. Some people will behave ethically and some will not. I have never met a breeder who said I'm in it for the money and I have never known one not to accept money for their pups. I think you can see if someone loves their dogs and if you can't see the love you might not encourage them by buying their puppies of course they will end up in pet stores. Maybe the thing to do is to encourage good kind people to breed and help them with the knowledge to do so in a healthy fashion rather than discourge all new breeders assuming new is bad.76.232.63.205 12:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Brilliantly said. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.181.182.2 (talk) 20:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing work at Puppy mill
Feel free to cite sources used in the puppy mill article. The AKC, Westminster Kennel Club, and The Kennel Club (UK) are all good, informative and reliable resources for this topic. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 22:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Many wordage changes, POV edits

 * 1) Changed “vocation” to “practice” – not all breeding done as a job
 * 2) Removed “At worst,” no reference for this.
 * 3) Removed “At its best, breeding is a blend of science and art.” Selective breeding is a science based on genetics, not an art.
 * 4) Removed “profitable” as a criteria for well-run breeding operation.
 * 5) Future of Breeding Section could really use some review or references!
 * 6) Removed Dog Pregnancy Calculator since Wiki is not a How to guide; This also isn’t a reference, it’s an External Link that doesn’t belong in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob98133 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Future of Breeding
Can someone please cite the crystal ball that this came from? It is one thing to speculate about future developments, and quite another to include this speculation as fact in Wiki. I think this section should be removed.Bob98133 (talk) 13:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree. It doesn't even seem to say anything. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 17:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge
There is a ton of information that is currently on the page for dog. I'm proposing to move generic information on breeding standards over to this page. --Waterspyder 23:31, 10 November 2005 (U

it is not true that the biggest puppy in the group turns out to be viscious. i know because i got the biggest pup of the gruop and he is the sweetest, most best dog.


 * Signed for archiving purposes only.  William Harris  &#124;talk 07:00, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

When were most modern breeds first identified?
This article says little about the number of breeds around the world, how long the breeds have been defined. Any chance of a section like that? Now the article seems like an extended dictionary definition of dog breeding. --Prairieplant (talk) 01:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That is because the topic is about dog breeding, and not dog breeds. Regards,  William Harris  &#124;talk 07:11, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok but it's a good idea for improving List of dog breeds, don't you think? Chrisrus (talk) 07:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Chris, I assume that info is held by the FCI, which ideally would then be reflected in the List of dog breeds article. However, the editor is correct on one point - this article has been around since 2004 and is little more than "an extended dictionary definition of dog breeding". Regards,  William Harris  &#124;talk 19:51, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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