Talk:Dollar/Archive 1

Generic value
eing one-hundred cents? I know that the dollar is generally valued differently depending on the jurisdiction, but the cent (1/100th) and the dollar (100 cents) should go hand-in-hand.Journalbug (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Number of strokes
Whatsup with one and two strokes thru S? So the $ symbol in for non-US dollar and double stroked S is for US dollar? Can someone explain? -pedro

There are better explanations based in medieval Iberian manuscripts about the origin of the dollar sign. I will look into this and get back here. But everything here is folk-etymology. Evertype 18:05, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)

In answer the official symbol for US currency has always been two vertical lines with an S over it--meaning United States, the U becoming two lines. Somewhere in the last 4 decades the $ has been universally accepted. May 28. 2010.

HYSTORY
i noticed that at the hystory part its dismissed the ancient part of that word, please take a look at the connections between the ancient silver weight "talant" to the later SILVER THALER- here the link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talent_(measurement)

regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.56.140 (talk) 22:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

at the link above it says - The monetary talent When used as a measure of money, it refers to a talent-weight of gold or of silver. The gold talent is reported as weighing roughly the same as a person,[citation needed] and so perhaps 60 kg (132 lb avoirdupois). Some authorities state, more precisely, that the talent typically weighed about 33 kg (75 lb) varying from 20 to 40 kg.

the connection to the glater german thaler is clear - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.56.140 (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Yen
From yen:


 * The yen was originally written as the same way as the Chinese Yuan (&#22291; pinyin yuan2). Modern Japanese writings use a character (&#20870;) which is different from the one used in simplified Chinese (&#20803;). The Latinized symbol for the Yen however, is identical to the one for the Yuan, although the PRC tends to use one crossbar instead of two.
 * Yen literally means a "round object" in Japanese, as the Yuan in Chinese.

In the article:


 * In China, base unit of the official currency Renminbi is called "Yuan" (&#20803; or &#22278;, with a symbol ¥). The "yuan" is, in fact, a colloquial form of the word "dollar". Spanish dollars were widely circulated in China in the late 19th century. When China adopted its the first national currency in 1914, the base unit was called "Yuan" , which means "dollar". A "yuan" at that time was a coin containing exactly the same amount of silver as a Spanish dollar.

--Error 23:56, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * The word &#20803; or &#22278; literally means "round" does not mean it is the origin of the name. Coins minted by the Chinese were round, but they were not called &#22278;, they were 錢 . 圓 , or its proper name 銀圓, refers to Spanish silver dollars which were counted, in contrary to 銀兩 (silver tales) which were weighted. In 1866 the silver coins minted in Hong Kong were called in Chinese 壹圓 , in English "One Dollar". The "Yuan" &#20803; or &#22278; is just another translation of the "Dollar" . Not sure about Japanese Yen but it is possible that the word has the same heritage. 24.205.90.226 17:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

created a new page for the dollar sign languages
created a new page for the dollar sign languages, like the other languages. There are many uses for the sign that don't have anything to do with the dollar.

Yuan/元

 * In China, base unit of the official currency Renminbi is called "Yuan" (&#20803; or &#22278;, with a symbol ¥). The "yuan" is, in fact, a colloquial form of the word "dollar". Spanish dollars were widely circulated in China in the late 19th century. When China adopted its the first national currency in 1914, the base unit was called "Yuan" , which means "dollar". A "yuan" at that time was a coin containing exactly the same amount of silver as a Spanish dollar.

Who the hell comes up with this crap? The word "yuan" (元) predates any Spanish influence by several hundred years. Like, say, the Yuan Dynasty? Hell, the use of coins in China is BC-era by itself. You expect me to believe the Chinese waited a couple of thousand years to name them?

Yuan/元 is a measure word for small round things among a host of other meanings. Coins, being small round things, invariably got enumerated with yuan/元. Further, claiming that this is the colloquialism is utter nonsense. The colloquialism for money's measure word (the primary unit, not the "dime" or "penny" equivalents) is kuai/块. So the article has managed to get everything--absolutely everything--wrong on this point.

Needless to say it's getting deleted. --MTR (&#20005;&#21152;&#21326;) 05:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Not really. The word "yuan", like any Chinese word, has multiple meanings. The word "元" was not created for the meaning of dollar, it was just adopted for that purpose. Although it is true that the word "圓" means round object, that is not origin or the reason why it is used to called the currency now being used.


 * After the Ming Dynasty, the Chinese have been using a dual currency system. For large amounts, the unit was silver tales (銀兩). The Chinese did not have the habit of minting gold or silver into coins like the Europeans. The silver was rather minted into bars and measured by weight. 兩 means "tale" is a weight unit. While the currency for smaller trades was copper coins minted by the royal government, and the unit was by enumeration rather than weight. But one single coin is counted as one "chin" "錢". Coins stringed together (that's the purpose of the hole in Chinese coins) is called a 吊 or string. "圓" was NOT the unit for counting the indigenous coins minted locally by the Chinese. At the same time, trades with the foreign nations were carried out using Spanish dollars, silver coins which were called 銀圓, (probably because they are round) and they were enumerated, counted as "銀圓".


 * The use of 元 or 圓 as a unit of currency in China did not happen until 1866, when the Hong Kong government at that time started minted silver coins carrying the same amount of silver as the Spanish dollars and called them "Hong Kong One Dollar" 香港壹圓. It was also the first time when the word "圓" or "元" was used as unit of currency, that took the meaning of the word "yuan" or 圓 out from its original meaning of the Spanish dollar. But the character "yuan" "圓" or "元" still means, exactly, "dollar".


 * In China, the first basic national currency adopted in 1914 was a silver coin equivalent to a Spanish dollar, that was also called "壹圓" or "one yuan". Nicknamed "袁大頭", this unit was supposed to be the national unit for currency, but it never totally replaced silver tales for book-keeping purposes. It was 1934 when the Nationalist government passed laws to abandon use of "tales" as the unit of currency, and all accounting must be done with yuan.


 * I think the original article had it correct. It is just there're more history on the word 圓 and currencies in China than you are aware of.

24.205.90.226 23:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

the table
I changed around the table. Really, only the code of it. I couldn't get the padding thing to work correctly. Could someone correct it? I hope whoever it may concern enjoys the reworking. It's easier to deal with now. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 07:58, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

the town of Dollar?
Is there any relationship between the town of Dollar, Scotland and the currency?

The town of Dollar nestles at the foot of the Ochil Hills is central Scotland and is famous for its school "Dollar Academy" which was inagruated in 1818AD by a wealthy merchant (John McNabb).

The town is also known for 15th century Castle Campbell that sits at the top of the Dollar glen between two 'burns': the burn of care and the burn of sorrow which are known for waterfalls and huge slab like rock vennels. The castle was known as the "castle of gloom" before an act of parliment in 1489, approved by James IV.


 * Nope, as a proud Scot I am very sorry to report that that is unlikely. As a (kind-of) Swedish-speaker, it has become my understanding that "dollar" came from "riksdaler", but I have just looked at the Eng Wiki article, and I see that there is a more plausible explanation: Swedish riksdaler: "The daler, like the dollar, was named after the German thaler."
 * I have no idea of the etymology of Dollar, Scotland, but I would hazard a guess that it is from either Pictish or Scottish Gaelic.--Mais oui! 19:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Signo pesos
In most Spanish-speaking countries, the symbol is known as signo pesos o signo peso (Peso sign), and not as signo dólar (Dollar sign). Considering also that the sign is in fact the Peso sign and was copied for the US Dollar, I don't think that the article should treat countries like Argentina, Cuba, México or Uruguay as countries that use the Dollar sign.

British Dollars
In pre-decimal coinage, 10 shillings was known as a 'dollar' in slang and 5 shillings was sometimes known as 'half a dollar'. It should be noted that Australian, New Zealand, Jamacan and possible other commonwealth dollars were created from their local 10 shilling denomination. All they did was than create a 'cent' as one hundreth of ten shillings (dollar). Britain decimalised making twenty shillings (sovereign) the main unit instead of ten shillings (dollar) and creating 'new pence' as a hundreth of twenty shillings (pound)

There were coins actually officially named dollars.

I quote from http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/dollar.html

'In 1797, owing to a desperate shortage of silver coins, the Bank of England issues altered foreign coins from its reserves. Half a million pounds worth of Spanish dollars issued by King Charles IV were over-stamped with a small engraving of George III. The re-issued coins, with a value of 4 shillings and 9 pence, attracted ridicule. "Two Kings' heads and not worth a crown" was one witticism. (A 'crown' in this context meant 5 shillings, "half-a-crown", sometimes colloquially known as "half-a-dollar", being a common coin before decimalisation in 1971). A cruder, description was "the head of a fool stamped on the neck of an ass". The issue failed because over-stamping was also applied unofficially to the plentiful supplies of light or base Spanish dollars.

A few years later a more successful issue of dollars was made by the Bank of England. In 1804 Matthew Boulton, the business partner of the steam engine pioneer James Watt, was employed to erase completely the existing design on full-weight Spanish coins and stamp them as Bank of England Five Shilling Dollars. '

These may be worth incorporating in some way.


 * Support - I think it's worth adding. Stephen.frede 00:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Dollar Slang
Have added "cheese" and "cheddar" to the list of slang words for dollar. "Cheese" is used in Jay-Z's "Big Pimpin," "Cheddar" can be found at http://www.thesource4ym.com/teenlingo/


 * Alright, fair enough. I have added this to the list of sources in the article.[[Image:Weather rain.png]] Soothing R  07:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * French Americans used to refer to the Dollar as douleur. I thought that might be a fun bit of useless trivia for this article, but wasn't sure where to put it. See:Francis Vigo. Mingusboodle 12:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, this is an encyclopedia, not a trivia collection. If you have a source and can work it into the text in some way (i.e. other names for the Dollar), feel free to add it. — BQZip01 —  talk 14:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

merge
I completely agree with the merging of that section into this page. I'ts like having two articles for the same thing. 63.231.145.101 21:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

redirect
Talk:Dollar sign used to redirect here. I couldn't see a reason why, so I removed the redirect and copied this text there. Ingrid 03:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Symbol
I have deleted the section on Symbol and added a "See also" to Dollar sign. The information that was here under Symbol was contradictory to that in the larger article. I suggest resolving any conflicting theories over there. The larger article also (partly) answers pedro's question above on number of strokes in the symbol. Stephen.frede 00:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I do not know how to properly add citations, so I post the information here and hope that someone with more knowledge edit the article. Ayn Rand lets the fictional character Dagny Taggart say "... do you know where the sign comes from? It stands for the initials of the United States." Atlas Shrugged page 628 Raumi75 (talk) 13:29, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Colour of US dollar
There is a comment in the section on synonyms and slang that the US dollar is green on both sides. However, US dollar bills are grey on the front, though they have a small amount of green printing (serial numbers etc.). I am deleting the comment. Stephen.frede 21:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

the world's most widely circulated currency.
Can you provide a citation for this? If you mean the currency with the largest circulating money supply (in physical notes and coins), you may be correct, but the Euro may also be a contender, or even the Chinese Yuan. TiffaF 15:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yea, this should be changed since the euro is about to overtake it. 

By the end of October the $759bn-worth of US dollar notes in circulation was only a fraction ahead of the value of euro notes, converted at exchange rates at that time.

''But since October the euro has risen strongly against the dollar and this month the value of euro notes has risen to more than €610bn, or in excess of $800bn at the latest exchange rates. That level is unlikely to have been beaten by the greenback.'' Richard Cane 01:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comparison between the euro and the USD, which is a current event, should be written into United States dollar, not here. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

RE:Edit summary
Actually that should have read "this is already covered at United States one-dollar bill".--Isotope23 19:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

What we can hope?
What we can hope? Although it is not to wait for a wild sale of dollars in the international markets, which is clear is that the green ticket will follow weak by a good short while. Whereas the United States continues I decide to continue spending in the war in Iraq and the internal security, and with it increasing their deficit fiscal, as well as, mattering more than what exports to satisfy its increasing demand - enlarging its commercial deficit -, the dollar will continue staggering in the international markets. And the investors, before little the attractive interest rates that offer the American titles, will continue looking for refuge in more profitable values. Reason why every time will be more difficult that the dollar recovers the title of the safest and attractive currency of the markets. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.92.96.154 (talk) 03:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC). Sc

Which countries dollar are you talking about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.109.58 (talk) 22:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The Yiddish Word 'Shmako'
... does not exist. I'm getting rid of this invented etymology. Bws2002 21:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

History: Thaler - Zahler - zahlen - German for "to pay"
The connection between Thaler, Tal and valley does not sound very logic. Due to a consonant shift from t to z, it is much closer to the German noun "Zahler" that comes from the German verb "zahlen" which means "to pay". I would suggest a correction of this paragraph. Opinions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.139.136.147 (talk) 15:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC).


 * no - please don't just make stuff up - the Thaler is documented - it was and is pretty common in german to name things after the place they are originally from - Thaler from (Joachims)Thal, Wieners form Wien, Berliners from Berlin, Frankfurters from Frankfurt
 * and the thaler came up around 1500 that is way after the last consonant shift has happened (the german of 1500 like lutherbible is basicly still the german of today)78.42.252.102 (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Two bits worth
"the peso, worth eight reals (hence the nickname "pieces of eight")" Did this lead to the phrases "four bits" etc. ? 82.38.112.107 07:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)mikeL


 * the etymology of "bits" predates the real or peso. American dollars used to be made of pure silver. Quarters and dimes and such weren't always available to make change and people used to cut the soft silver dollars into eight equal segments. Though technically illegal, but unenforceable, this practice continued through the first half of the 20th century. BQZip01 16:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Better answer: see Quarter (United States coin)BQZip01 16:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Tax Dollars
I live in England and occasionally hear the phrase "tax dollars" in a UK-based context. I guess "tax pound sterling" doesn't have the same ring to it. I can't find any sources and am not sure if it is notable. --Joshtek 18:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that just tax money or tax revenue? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * AFAIK tax revenue, tax income and tax money are probably the most proper terms, but not the only term in use. --Joshtek 18:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All are simply a way of phrasing "taxes." — BQZip01 —  talk 05:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Rafael Company
Now: The use of the Spanish dollar and the Maria Theresa thaler as legal tender for the early United States are the reasons for the name of the nation's currency.

No correct because this: "One such piece is the lion daalder of the United Netherlands. This coin, nicknamed the “dog dollar,” was circulated by Dutch traders throughout the world including the New Netherlands colony, present-day New York. Coins such as this are almost certainly responsible for the origin of the word “dollar” in our language." (A Brief History of the Morgan dollar) http://www.anacs.com/

New Text: The use by Dutch traders of the lion daalder of the United Netherlands (nicknamed the “dog dollar” in America), and the legal tender of the Spanish dollar in the early United States, are the reasons for the name of the nation's currency.

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Merge out
Some of the historical details regarding the USD should be merged out to History of the United States dollar. J IM ptalk·cont 07:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

unit of measure
Descriptions of the dollar as a unit of measure of silver is appropriately in the history section, but it's not a significant meaning of the word now. It also is U.S. specific, which this article is not. Cretog8 (talk) 19:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

How the Dollar is backed
Found a nice definition of how the US dollar is backed : '''"The dollar is backed by nothing but coercion, i.e. the ability to tax its citizens and to receive tribute from client states." ''' The latter aspect referes to its role as major "reserve currency" of course .79.210.96.126 (talk) 12:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Denarius
Can somebody explain the rationale to having Denarius in "See also"? I cannot see a link, apart from the fact it gave us Dinar. Is the idea to link to currencies used in multiple countries? Surely we should redirect to Guider, Pound, France, Mark and Dinar, not Denarius? Hrcolyer (talk) 09:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I couldn't see a reason, so I removed it. WP:BRD. — BQZip01 —  talk 03:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thaler = Dollar
I was under the impression America came up with the word Dollar from the word Thaler ChesterTheWorm (talk) 07:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC) ChesterTheWorm

"The name 'dollar', however, derives from the Dutch or Low German word daler (in German taler or thaler) - originally Joachimstaler, referring to a coin from the silver mines of Joachimstal, in Bohemia (now Jáchymov in the Czech Republic), which opened in 1516." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.196.58 (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The Dollar United State Note?
Prior to the Nixon administration the Dollar was back by gold. The public was prevented from cashing their Dollar certificate for gold and foreign Governments were refused redemption of their gold certificates in gold. Therefore the dollar was no longer backed by gold. Man is the source of labor. His labor can be traded and is manifested into the environment by the use of natural resources and his own creations.

The NOTE= Current US dollar, is a vessel by which labor is transformed into tradable commodity. For example, take five people that produce any type of labor, such as a farmer, a mechanic, a roofer, a drywall installer. Their labor can be exchanged value for value, labor for labor. A portion or all of their labor can be taken by an entity (B) simply by introducing a piece of paper with a numerical value.

This paper (Note) has no value, since the originator (B) has placed no labor or equity into the note. All five families are given these notes with numerical values in exchange for their labor/product. The families proceed to exchange these notes among themselves, creating value due to their exchange of labor/or products.

At any of the five points the notes are accumulated and they are place in (B) = Bank as deposits, these deposits become assets to the Bank. The Bank then gives loans to the five families in order to increase their business, or make purchases or investments. The note created by the banks have no value or labor, they gain value by the labor of others, which in turn are returned to the point of origin the banks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.149.63.203 (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

POV and errors
I can't help but notice these few lines:

"However Federal Reserve banks are only prejudiced to deliver tax credits instead of money. The silver content of US coinage was mostly removed in 1965 and the dollar essentially became a baseless free-floating fiat currency, though the [United States Mint |US Mint]] continues to make silver $1 coins at this weight."

This sounds like the talking points of gold/silver money advocates (especially the "prejudiced to deliver tax credits instead of money" part). Also the silver coins they currently make are not at this weight as claimed, but are instead 1 troy ounce, which is a significantly smaller weight. Also those coins have a face value of 1 dollar, but that is meant to be mostly symbolic and they are bought and sold for the current market value of their silver content, which is much higher (the article on them is rather sparse, but a good explanation is found in the American Gold Eagle article.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.149.227.173 (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Map
It would be very helpful if a map was added to this article with the countries that use the dollar highlighted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crd721 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Spain appear in red. However I live in Spain and it is impossible see somebody using dollars here. The dollars are very rare here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.34.138.166 (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Panama and Ecuador
I put those two countries in the list of countries that use the dollar. Dollarwizard (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

What east coast?
"This Dutch currency made its way to the east coast due to the increased trading by colonial ships with other nations."

I assume the U.S. east coast is meant, as previously in the paragraph "the English Colonies" are mentioned. But back when the USA was called anything like that, didn't it only have one coast, as the expansion to the west happened later? So adding "east" seems redundant to me if you're referring to the Thirteen Colonies. I'm going to change it to "U.S. east coast" to clarify. If anyone has a better suggestion - I thought of "the coast of the Colonies", for example - please replace it.

Also, I'm going to replace "English Colonies" in this paragraph with "Thirteen Colonies" as this is a more accurate term. I see further down in the section this term is used correctly (in the 5th paragraph of the Development of use section). Endcourts (talk) 03:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Order of countries in the lead?
The lead currently reads:


 * The dollar (often represented by the dollar sign $) is the name of the official currency of many countries, including Canada, the Eastern Caribbean territories, Ecuador, Suriname, El Salvador, the United States, Panama, Belize, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Brunei, East Timor, Australia, and New Zealand.

What order is this supposed to be in? It looks like it may have once been alphabetical, but at this point it seems fairly random (maybe there's some sort of geographical ordering intended here?). A logical ordering would be in terms of most used currencies, or alphabetical I suppose, but this random ordering should be fixed. Oren0 (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Conversion to ounces
> 371 4/16th grains (24.057 grams)

(Wolfram Alpha) says 371.25 grams converts to 13.095 oz. Where do we get 24.057? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsilb (talk • contribs) 09:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Clarification?
The section entitled "Countries which accept the dollar, but do not use it as their official currency" is, as it stands, meaningless and confusing. The listed countries neither have their own dollar nor, one would imagine, accept every type of dollar; if you try to use Solomon Islands dollars in Cambodia, I doubt they would be accepted. I presume the section is supposed to refer to US dollars - in which case, its place is in the United States dollar article, not here. Would anyone have any objection to the section being deleted? I can't see it having any logical place here. Aridd (talk) 17:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Town of Dollar (again)
Removed the following text from the "Usage in Great Britain" section:

"Approximately 40 miles West of St Andrews lies the town of Dollar which for centuries was the lowland stronghold of the Campbells, a very powerful Scottish Clan. It is likely that the significance of this town in terms of its military and economic strength caused the town name to evolve into or adopt the monetary term 'Dollar', probably derived from a Dollar credit note or paper note. The Scottish fiscal culture was arguably one of the most advanced at the time with Scottish banks being the first established in the western world, so it would not be out of the question for the various clans to issue 'notes' to one another as forms of credit, hence the Dollar Bill. It was common during these times for town names to be carried over into usage terms. Many usage terms became surnames, such as Cooper, Farmer, Miller, etc. The strength of the Scottish fiscal and sea culture would likely have carried Dollar notes all over the world."

This is pure urban myth. The origin of the name from T(h)aler is well proven. I am surprised this text remained in the article so long TiffaF (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Introduction to this article
Couldn't this article be improved if it pointed out that a dollar in the United States (for example] would be different to a dollar in other countries, such as Canada, Australia or New Zealand? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 22:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

For example, the article on Canada says that the currency there is the Canadian dollar, the article on Australia says that the currency there is the Australian dollar and the article on New Zealand says that the currency there is the New Zealand dollar.This would imply that that the dollar being used in all these countries has a different meaning to the dollar being used in the United States. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 22:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Spanish dollars
I don't understand why Spain is colored red in the map as a country "that formerly used a currency called "dollar" "

According to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar and this linke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar it appears that while some English language sources may have called the Spanish money dollars, but the Spanish didn't. They called them real de ocho.

The same links discuss in detail how the Dutch Republic and other nations used things an English speaker might call "dollars" (Czech tolar, Hungarian tallér, Danish and Norwegian (rigs) daler, Swedish (riks) daler, Icelandic dalur, Dutch (rijks)daalder or daler, Ethiopian ታላሪ ("talari"), Italian tallero, Flemish daelder, Polish Talar, Persian Dare).

So if Spain is red on this map, then logically (but not really), many of these places should be red as well. Because either they really used a currency name etymologically close to dollars. Or because it's easy to find historical English-language references calling their currency dollars. Like "Swedish dollars" and "Dutch dollars" or "Ethiopian dollars."

Swedish http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Swedish+dollars%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C22 Dutch http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22dutch+dollars%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C22 Ethiopian http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Ethiopian+dollars%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C22

It just doesn't make sense to say in the map that Spain used a currency called dollars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.113.17.3 (talk) 20:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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