Talk:Dollar Baby

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Thank you for correcting information on Cain Rose Up - this title has been removed.

Last Rung on the Ladder has been removed from the 'Pre-2000' section, but I've left it in the definitive list for now as Lucas, as I understand, did receive the Dollar Deal from King, the film just (as far as we know) remains unproduced. I'll correct this to 'date unknown'

Wordprocessor of the Gods (1985) by Michael Gornick and Sorry, Right Number (1986) by John Sutherland are NOT Dollar Baby films. Although they are both short films, both were professionally negotiated, both producers own full rights. Sorry Right Number was a screenplay written by King exclusively for Laurel-TV Tales From the Darkside. Neither of these films are Dollar Babies.

Dates
Can anyone explain to me the trend for 'wikifying' dates? Doesn't that kind of go against the wiki linking policy of only linking wiki words that can clarify or expand on the current article? Is there really anyone reading this article who is going to immediately care what happened on November 11, 2001 - because that was when the cited article was published? And, if we're going to wikify dates - why not all of them? I'm totally at a loss. Before I revert these edits - can someone explain this to me?

LACameraman 09:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Here There Be Tygers (Guy Maddin)
An unnamed user modified the definitive list adding "(never produced)" next to the reference for Guy Maddin's 1988 Here There Be Tygers adaptation. I have heard from a few different people that this film was never produced, however can anyone provide a verifyiable source that it was not made? Anyone in contact with the supposed filmmaker? Anyone have direct knowledge that the film was scrapped? Until that could be provided, I'd rather leave it on the list. LACameraman 13:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

1977-1996
The section listing films from 1977-1996 is significant as 1996 was the first time King mentioned the Dollar Babies and gave the production count at 16 or 17. In an attempt to put together a list of all 16 or 17 films he is referring to, this list must not include any films made after 1996. Including any films beyond 1996 in this area diffuses the significance of attempting to figure out all the sixteen or seventeen films. I cut the reference to *"Llamadas" (Sorry, Right Number) (1999) by Daniel Yañez totally from this section (which was originally referenced in a sub-section between 1996 and 2000). The film is represented in the definitive list. Thanks, Chris, for the remainder of the edits - they have greatly improved the article. LACameraman 08:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Does
Anyone know where I can view these short films? ArdClose (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Answer: For the most part you can't as Stephen King's contract states that they are not for commercial distribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Variable rush (talk • contribs) 05:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

"definitive"
Defenitive is not the right word for that list. First of all, it makes it sound as if there is no better list, and second of all, there is no proof that it is definitive. I'm sure it probably got most of 'em (maybe all), but it sounds pompous. Anyways, I found an official website for the adaptation of "Suffer the Little Children". Unfortunately, I couldn't find much technical info, production notes, or comments from King (if any). I'm pretty sure it was just praise, advertising the film. --MwNNrules (talk) 00:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Definitive" is a problematic word to use, I agree. I guess the idea is that it is all the movies which requested and obtained the rights from King, regardless of whether they went on to make them or not.  It's questionable whether that's worthwhile including on WP, but since it should be a relatively short list, it's not unmanageable.  However, one big problem here is that Lists are not exempt from verifiability, and it's not clear how one verifies that these films are real and that they obtained the license.  Additionally, there wouldn't seem to be any point to including films that weren't made or which are in pre-production unless the filmmakers are notable.  Notability (films) is geared more towards articles about individual films than ones which list films which may not have their own articles, but perhaps notability should be considered here.  If a Dollar Baby has been covered in reliable sources, or is made by notable filmmakers, then it makes sense to include them.  If it has not been covered in reliable sources (no reviews are available, etc.) or the filmmakers are not notable, then maybe it shouldn't be here.  One suspects there may be WP:OR and Conflict of interest problems with autobiography and self-promotion? Шизомби (talk) 02:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

'Definitive' is certainly a needless embellishment, it writes cheques that we can't cash; nobody is employed to maintain it, we can't generate original research, nobody's reputation is based on it being up to date etc. Renaming it plain old 'list' would be appropriate. Someoneanother 23:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

"Copyright"
I don't think this article's discussion of copyright issues is technically correct. King likely licenses the creation of a derivative work, but includes contractual limitations on the commercial use of that license. If this is correct, the filmmaker would retain copyright over the film, but his right to show the film would be limited by contract and King's derivative work rights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.201.52 (talk) 08:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

List of Dollar Babies
There really should be reliable sources for the existence of and information concerning each title in the list, or it should be radically pruned. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 22:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I pruned those which were cancelled, never completed, in pre-production, production, or post production. Only those which have been released make sense to include, so I changed the explanation under the subheader as well.  Films which are unreferenced or non-notable (youtube films, completed home movies, etc.) ought to be pruned as well, leaving only notable, referenced Dollar Babies, probably just those which have been in film festivals or which have been commercially distributed. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There are good references and other sources listed at the end of the article would could, and should, be used to reference some of the Dollar Babies in the list. I will get around to that sometime if nobody else does.  There are other movies too new for those reference works.  Those still need reliable sources of some kind, otherwise it would be original research, I believe.  A link to the filmmaker's own website is not an RS.  As for films in pre- or post-production, those too still would need RS as well, and it's unlikely that there would be any for them, particularly since there is no guarantee they'll be completed.  Additionally, WP is not an internet or youtube directory for every homemade or independent SK film.  Listing only those whose existence can be attested by reliable sources and ideally which have some kind of notability in and of themselves, beyond their being SK adaptations.  Meanwhile, and I hope this is not too harshly stated, there is a continuing issue with SKSM (stephenkingshortmovies.com (diff), a single purpose account with a history of self-promotion (e.g. previously linked diff) and advertising (User_talk:SKSM) and thus conflict of interest, seemingly wanting to list every one ever put into production or even merely conceived (i.e. the cancelled or never completed films).  That's better handled on the SKSM website, not here. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 15:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In light of the unreferenced movies as well as the unreferenced prose in the other sections, I added the original research template. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 15:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

As mentioned in the WP-page, the term 'Dollar Baby' not only refers to films that have been made with Stephen Kings permission, but also to the person who received permission to adapt a certain short story. Therefore, as soon as someone gets permission to adapt a story, he's automatically a 'Dollar Baby'. I think the wiki-page should be as complete as possible, so I actually liked the idea of making a section for these 'unfinished' films. I have had personal contact with a lot of filmmakers on the list and asked them if they actually received official permission, so I guess I can say I know which ones are official and which ones aren't. I don't know how WP works with this kind of "Original Research", so help with this is appreciated. -- Danny (Stephen King Fanclub Netherlands) —Preceding unsigned comment added by HagieRulez (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * With recent film festival screenings the list of known films has grown substantially. Will start adding to the list of known films, starting with the 25 appearing at the 2021 streaming festival. MoviePhan (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I started list with films included in this article, and Beachworld, also working on that page.MoviePhan (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

The Battle(Сражение)
This animation short has nothing to do with Dollar Baby, it is Soviet cartoon, made by studio Kievnauchfilm, not by sdudents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.234.173.32 (talk) 01:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed this from the article. GoingBatty (talk) 02:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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