Talk:Dolph Ziggler/Archive 1

moves
What is the "hat-pin balance"?--Yugioh73036 04:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)Yugioh73036

Yeah, that doesnt seem like any kind of wrestling move, can we get rid of it? I probably will if I don't get a response. Cheers, Dubbya9 06:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Birthdate
Has just been changed to 1981 yet Obsessed with Wrestling lists it as 1980. Can anyone find any other sources to back up either claim? Mattlore 03:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Neckbreaker
Last RAW Dolph Ziggler used a neckbreaker-esque move. Or, at least that's what the announcer's called it. "Jumping russian legsweep" is what I would use to call it. Should the move be added to his moveset and the "Professional wrestling throws" or "Neckbreaker" page(s)? --Oxico (talk) 23:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Finisher
On a recent FCW taping, Ziggler's finisher was a jumping reverse STO which he called the blonde ambition. he used it to defeat Yamamoto the link's right here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6kkqyeOzw  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.123.145 (talk) 13:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Youtube is not a reliable source. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 18:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

As I aforementioned, Ziggler used a finisher on "Santa Class" with is kind of like a mat slam/russian legsweep/jumping STO. If anyone has video of it, I think he innovated it cause I have never seen its like.--Oxico (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC) PS. Video of the aforementioned move can be found here at 5:22. I know YouTube is not a reliable source, but I am supplying video for means of classification. --24.161.50.140 (talk) 02:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Dolph's finisher
I really don't think calling it a jumping Russian legsweep is accurate. There's no legsweep involved. He just grabs their head and snaps it back. It's a move all its own. 69.23.156.97 (talk) 01:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

In-Ring Relationship
Shouldn't it be mentioned on this page and Maria's page that they are in an in ring relationship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.12.206 (talk) 21:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Potential triple crown?
I have a question. If Nemeth win the IC title, he will be a potential Triple Crown Champion or no? I say this about his regin as WTTC with Spirit Squad, because his gimmicks are completly different, without relation. Thanks --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Try asking at Talk:Triple Crown Championship. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The gimmick is unimportant. If the wrestler won the IC title then he would be a potential TCC. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It is incorrect to say he WILL be the new IC Champion. He earnt a shot for Breaking Point, not Smackdown. Therefore its very possible Rey might drop it to someone else, and Dolph still challenge a new champion for the title at Breaking Point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.97.33 (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Just Sayin'
I know no one looks at these talk pages, but I like to be able to explain my edits, even if no one sees it. There is a mistake on this article. It says the leaping reverse STO is his finisher, but that was a mistake on the part of the Wrestling Observer (as they make MANY, but apparently they remain "reliable"). Looking at that match, he does NOT finish R Truth with a leaping reverse STO, he finishes it with his signature jumping Russian legsweep. So much for reliable sources. Now, Ziggler DID use a leaping reverse STO in FCW, but WWE seems to have a clause that no two wrestlers can share a finisher so he changed it to a jumping Russian legsweep. I think this should be fixed in article. --Oxico (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, WO is reliable, and you don't have any sources to back up what you are saying. It is verifiability that counts in wikipedia, see WP:V - "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". WO says he used the move on SD, so unless you can provide a reliable source stating that it was in fact a jumping Russian legsweep, we don't say "FCW" after the move. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 13:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But anyone with eyes can see that he did not finish him with a leaping reverse STO. I know I can't show footage form YouTube (even if it is straight from the SmackDown) but I don't care if the Wikipedians want to show false information (it wouldn't be the first time). --Oxico (talk) 20:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Extra note: I only put "FCW" next to it because he did use it in FCW...period.--Oxico (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We go by what the sources say. End of story. It's policy. Btw, we list the promotion next to the move, only when they used said move as a finisher only in that particlular promotion. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 09:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I know. That's why I did what I did. --Oxico (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Dolph Ziggler's current finisher can in no way, shape, or form accuratley be described as a "jumping Russian legsweep." The very idea that that is what it is ABSURD. A Russian legsweep involves sweeping of a leg. --71.234.192.28 (talk) 16:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Zig Zag
The "Zig Zag" is the "Jumping Russian Legsweep". And Ziggler doesn't use the "Leaping Reverse STO" anymore, it was his finisher in FCW. He probably doesn't use it in the WWE because Shelton Benjamin has got the same finisher. --79.204.126.66 (talk) 13:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

And by the way, in an interview with a german wrestling-magazine called "Power Wrestling", Nemeth stated that the WWE calls the move the "Zig Zag", but Nemeth himself prefers to call the move the "DZT". Is that relevant for the article? --79.204.88.5 (talk) 23:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)