Talk:Don't Be a Sucker

Requested move 15 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't Be a Sucker! → Don't Be a Sucker – Proper title of film as seen in the title card on the Archive.org link. —scarecroe (talk) 17:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The title card is very closely cropped to the right in this copy, the "R" of the word "SUCKER" touches the frame - so it's not quite clear to me, there could have been an exclamation mark after the R that's just not visible in this copy. Are there any other (official) sources for the title? Gestumblindi (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3WxDyYc_1I - not official, but the title card can be seen clearly without the exclamation mark 188.85.32.104 (talk) 08:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed that some versions are cropped to make it unclear, but other versions — as the one posted by 188.85.32.104 — I think fairly and clearly show that there is no exclamation point. —scarecroe (talk) 10:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * https://catalog.archives.gov/id/1943586 --Jeremyb (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nomination. Sources clearly depict the title without an exclamation point. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, per nomination: and discussion, above. Javert2113 (talk) 03:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Now support the move as well, per clarifications and National Archives catalog entry above. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Anachronism
The article says the film was produced in 1943, but the film mentions D-Day and the Invasion of Normandy (about 14:54 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE ). How did that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.247.84 (talk) 00:48, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * This is clarified by the first sentence of the article: "Don't Be a Sucker! is a short film produced by the United States War Department released in 1947, adapted from an earlier version from 1943."


 * --Jeremyb (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Can anyone find a source for the 1943 date - other than IMDB and the "recent" (2017 sources) ones - which might well be based on IMDB and us? Cooper and Schneider has ''Don't Be A Sucker is an anti-discrimination film which was produced during World War II by the Army Signal Corps for use with the armed forces. After the war, a shortened version of the film was widely shown both commercially and under educational auspices. In 1947, the Department of Scientific Research of the American Jewish Committee undertook to study the impact of the film.'' Msrasnw (talk) 08:52, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * In any case the year 1947 is shown on the "THE END" card, in Roman numerals as MCMXLVII. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * In my previous comment, I referred to the 17 min 21 s version File:Don't Be a Sucker.webm previously used in the article; now it's the longer File:Don't Be a Sucker (high resolution 35mm transfer).webm (22 min 49 s) where there is no year at the end. Gestumblindi (talk) 23:36, 22 August 2017 (UTC)