Talk:Don't Stop Believin'

Page move?
The single cover clearly says "Don't Stop Believing," with a "g." Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 20:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Biased?
It appears that in the “Return to popularity” section is biased to the White Sox. I feel that this page should not focus on this one team because there are many other sports teams both pro and amateur that use this song for inspiration or a rally cry. Natural number is e 00:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The song's use at the end of "The Sopranos" caused much discussion - probably more than its use during the White Sox World Series run. It's inclusion as the last song over the lase scene on the show represented an American pop culture event and should be noted.

I agree. it should be changed entirely. The song was used in Films and Tv shows (Especially Scrubs,which has a habit for playing music like this - see also Toto,Men At Work, and Boston) for years before it was used in sports. The artiocle should be altered to reflect this.Cm619 12:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Believin' vs. Believing
It's odd that all references to the song here, including the title, show the third word in the song's title as "Believin'," but the cover of the 45 single in the photo in the sidebar lists the title as "Believing." This is a discrepancy that needs to be noted and explained in the article. Moncrief 15:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia tends to put the item under the article name of which it is most known as - not the name under which it was first published. Just because it was released as "Don't Stop Believing" doesn't mean it isn't much more commonly known as "Don't Stop Believin'," which is what the name of the article should be. Wikipedia titles items as the most common name, not the first: Meat Loaf, Elton John, etc (ie - not Marvin Lee Aday or Reginald Kenneth Dwight). We could easily write that it was first released as "Don't Stop Believing" in the article though. 86.158.196.226 (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A fascinating oddity! That explains why it's easier to search for this song on Wikipedia than on ITunes. The ITunes search for "Don't Stop Believing" turns up nothing of significance. ekac 12:17 pm, 6 September 2009(UTC)


 * Maybe somebody's trying to remind everyone else about another song by another artist? Olivia Newton-John had an album with the apostrophized form of the title -- and there was a title song on it, too, which became a hit.  There's a page for the album, but not for the song.  Maybe someone who knows Wiki better than me could put in some links and/or disambiguations?

I don't know what you all are looking at, but the photo of the 45 rpm single clearly shows the title to be "Don't Stop Believin' " (with an apostophe). And the track listing of the album "Escape" on Amazon.com also lists the last word of the song title as "Believin' ". Captain Quirk (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Link
Here's a link to the blog of the Irish DJ who got the song to number 1 in the Irish download charts: http://rayfoleyshow.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html

Information About Song/Plot
This article really doesn't say anything about the song itself, just pop culture uses. 68.54.224.31 03:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * agreed, there is nothing about the plot of the song. If anyone knows anything, please add. Skiendog (talk) 00:07, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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south detriot/trivia
The last sentence of that section reads horribly.Beach drifter (talk) 07:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC) looks much better now!Beach drifter (talk) 07:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Residents of Windsor Ont. Sometimes refer to Windsor as 'South Detroit', not that I belive for a second that the band knew this. but it is Trivia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord of The Beer (talk • contribs) 13:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

There is no such place as South Detroit, but the Downriver area of Southeastern Michigan is South of Detroit, Windsor is not even close. 99.150.167.4 (talk) 06:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Or, it refers literally to the southern part of Detroit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.90.174 (talk) 00:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "not even close." Windsor is immediately across the river from the city of Detroit, and is directly South. Less than half a mile south, actually. Downriver is more west than south. Strictly speaking, the 'south' part of Detroit is downtown. Doesn't change that there isn't a colloquial "south Detroit." --99.170.101.202 (talk) 02:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The reference to South Detroit was out of lyrical necessity, the song was written while the band was touring and was staying in the city of Southfield, Michigan a suburb of Detroit. This is from an interview with the band while again playing in Detroit. WRIF raido interview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.194.144 (talk) 17:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Popular culture references

 * In the 1998 comedy film The Wedding Singer the song is played in a string quartet featured at Robbie Hart's wedding in which he is left standing at the altar.


 * In 2002, on the Soul Food episode "In Transition", the song plays on Teri's car radio as she puts the key in the ignition, minutes after she has been fired from her job as partner in a small Chicago law firm.


 * On the South Park episode "Tsst," Cartman sings "Don't stop believin', hold on to that feelin'" while hooking up his Xbox 360.


 * The song is also featured in a Scrubs episode from 2003 entitled "My Journey," in which J.D. reveals that he is "a closet Journey fan." and sings it with Turk. It is also used as non-diegetic (background) music during the closing sequence with J.D.'s narration featuring Elliot on a train.


 * In the 2003 motion picture Monster, featuring Charlize Theron, the song is played as a sort of love theme and also during the end credits.


 * On June 5, 2005, the Family Guy episode "Don't Make Me Over" first aired. In the episode, Peter Griffin and friends Quagmire, Joe, and Cleveland sing this song karaoke-style in a bid to attract attention to save their favorite bar, The Drunken Clam. The sound of the song attracts most people within hearing range, even luring a few mourners carrying a casket to drop it and run off to the bar ("Is that Journey? Kick ass!"). In the days following the Family Guy episode, an episode of Laguna Beach featured the song as well. As a result, "Don't Stop Believing" slowly crept up to the number 2 most downloaded song on iTunes.


 * During the 2005 Major League Baseball postseason, the Chicago White Sox adopted "Don't Stop Believing" as their unofficial theme song.


 * On an episode of The Late Show with David Letterman, the song was used for a skit of how the media portrayed Letterman's quintuple-bypass surgery.


 * In the 2006 comedy film Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, featuring Will Ferrell, the song is featured in the trailer.


 * For their spring 2006 tour, Swedish band The Sounds played the song before they took the stage to get the audience hyped up.


 * Symphonic Epic Metal band Northern Kings featuring Jarkko Ahola (from Teräsbetoni), Marco Hietala (from Nightwish and Tarot), Tony Kakko (from Sonata Arctica) and Juha-Pekka Leppäluoto (from Charon) covered "Don't Stop Believin'" as the first song on their album called Reborn in 2007.


 * In September 2007 SURFC (Stirling University Men's Rugby Club) adopted it as their theme for the 2007/2008 season, which brought much success both on and off the field.


 * The 2007 Nature's Classroom theme song for OHMS.


 * The Ray Foley Show on Today FM ran a campaign to get it to the top of the download charts and into the overall chart. They succeeded in both.


 * The song was played briefly in the 2007 Christmas television special Shrek The Halls. Shrek and Fiona are about to dance to the song, but Pinocchio cuts in to dance with Fiona and starts singing the words 'Don't Stop Believing'.


 * The song was featured heavily in the 2008 film Bedtime Stories, appearing in the story sequences and playing over the end credits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.60.52 (talk) 18:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * In 2009, Fall Out Boy covered this song during their final shows before breaking up in 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.60.52 (talk) 18:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The Sopranos (and parodies)

 * In 2007, the song was played on a diner jukebox during the final scene of the series finale of The Sopranos. The episode abruptly ends with "Don't stop—" as the scene cuts to black. By the end of the week, the song was one of most downloaded songs on iTunes, briefly holding the number 1 spot.


 * A brief section of the song was played on a segment of The Daily Show on June 12th 2007, in a parody of the aforementioned The Sopranos finale.


 * Following a popular vote on her campaign website Hillary Clinton, in a parody of The Sopranos finale, used it in a Presidential campaign video to announce her official campaign anthem., which featured Vince Curatola, the actor who portrayed The Sopranos character John Sacramoni.


 * On July 12, 2007, WCBS FM in New York City used "Don't Stop Believing" as the final song under the station's Jack FM format before switching back to an oldies station. In a nod to The Sopranos finale, a short sound byte from Tony Soprano was put over the song, just before it was cut off at the "Don't stop" lyric, before the end of Sinatra's "Summer Wind" (the last song under the previous incarnation of its oldies format) was played to ring in the return of the oldies. It should also be noted that one of the first DJ breaks after the flip referenced the Hillary Clinton parody mentioned above.


 * At the 2007 WEBN fireworks show, the song was played in the soundtrack, which ended with the "Don't Stop-" ending that was in the finale. The fireworks stop for a second, and then cut to Woke Up This Morning, the Sopranos theme song.


 * In the final episode of the Australian radio show Get This, a program proudly obsessed with The Sopranos, the final few minutes were a parody of the final scenes of this episode. However, after the dramatic end, the hosts, Tony, Ed, and Richard messed it up by ruining the profound silence. Don't Stop Believing' was therefore the final song broadcast on the cult show. The band Journey were also favorite conversational fodder for the show.


 * In the 2007 premiere of the ABC Christmas special, Shrek the Halls, the song is played at the Christmas party at Shrek's swamp house.


 * In the Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film for Theaters, in the final credits, the line "Don't Stop Believing is the greatest song ever written" appears.


 * ESPN did a parody of Sopranos and the Dallas Cowboys, with coach Tony Sparano and not Tony Soprano, then cut the song at "Don't Stop-" like the final seconds of The Sopranos finale.

A Thought
I've wondered if there is a place in the article for occurrences when the song has been incorrectly referred to by another name. I did not think it was here, so I reverted it. Qaddosh (talk) 20:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Popularity Section
What is the standard for notability of information in the 'Popularity' Section? A bit about a Rascal Flatts cover I don't agree with being listed, but in the spirit of WP:AGF, I will leave it be until someone perhaps more experienced than I comes along to look at it. -- Qaddosh|talk| contribs 06:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Additonal Trivia
Kanye West plays this song in his "Glow in the Dark" tour right after he sings "Hey Momma."
 * Certainly not of importance, and hardly "trivia". Skiendog (talk) 00:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

CUSID?
"The song has also become the unofficial anthem of debate, predominately CUSID, where it is played just before midnight, after which the teams advancing to the elimination rounds are announced." This seems somewhat irrelevant. The rest of those entries in the "Popularity" section are popular culture. Nobody cares about Canadian debating societies. That "factoid" (might I add, the assertion is not even attributed to any source) is not even listed on CUSID's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.228.231 (talk) 00:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

iTunes store
"Perhaps its greatest accolade of all however is that it is the most downloaded song of the 20th century in the iTunes Music Store"

Seeing as the iTunes store did not exsist in the 20th century, this is nto true. The iTunes store was begun in 2003, which is the Twenty-FIRST century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DannyQuack (talk • contribs) 05:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not most downloaded in the 20th century; 20th century song most downloaded. HenryFlower 16:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed the sentence slightly to reduce the confusion by saying it was the most downloaded song from the 20th century. Captain Quirk (talk) 11:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Power Ballad
The information has to go somewhere, because this song is a Power Ballad, and it really should be mentioned.-- F-22 Raptor IV 02:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It was removed from the infobox because the it is not a genre and the field is for genres only. Peter Fleet (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the new location is acceptable-- F-22 Raptor IV 02:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Is it really "..often mistakenly named 'Small Town Girl' or 'Midnight Train'" ?
In the opening paragraph, I think the line "The song is often mistakenly named "Small Town Girl" or "Midnight Train" due to the first couple of verses" is a little too speculative, especially as an introduction to the article. I personally have never heard anyone refer to the song as either of those names. Reference? This just sounds like a random fact someone put in from their own personal, yet obscure, perception of the song. If we choose to leave it in, I think we should at least move it to a section within the article and not at such a focal point up in the opening paragraph. Wildonrio (talk) 22:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Beating A Dead Horse To Death
Okay, so now (with its recent resurgence in popularity), the page mentions the iTunes store and the record-shattering downloads. Have any of you that keep changing it from the correct "Don't Stop Believin" to the incorrect "Don't Stop Believing" actually been to the site? You'll see that it's listed correctly as "Believin'". Does anyone but me not find it just a wee bit strange that Don't Stop Believin' leads you to a freaking cover of the Journey song, which ludicrously indicates "For the original song by Journey, see Don't Stop Believing? "Don' Stop Believin'" WAS the original title!!!  This has got to be the most pathetic and malingering "non" issue I've ever seen on Wikipedia...

The song page needs to be listed under its correct title, as the band originally, consistently, and ALWAYS listed it. The picture on this page needs to be replaced with a photo of the original 45 single. This song has been breaking records on iTunes, yet it is incorrectly credited on the Wikipedia page that tells one this! For the love of all things holy, go to the official Journey website, and see for yourself. Just show me where the band lists it as "Believing". Seriously, this nonsense needs to stop, and every time it is incorrectly changed, rest assured I'll be right along to change it back to the truth. Doc9871 07:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doc9871 (talk • contribs)

Adding Glee stuff on this page...
If I had an original 45 single and a camera, there'd already be an image of "Don't Stop Believin'" here. Can some brave soul do this please? Please?

The "Don't Stop Believin' (Glee song)" page seems fine - why does an image of the Glee album cover need to be on the page concerning the original Journey song? It's a cover version that already has its own page; you should feel honored for that alone. I say keep the Glee image on the Glee page, and get a real picture up for the original Journey tune...

P.S.: It still says "Talk:Don't Stop Believing" and not "Believin'". (Sigh) Doc9871 (talk) 07:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkpage redirect?
Why on earth does Talk:Don't Stop Believin' (Glee song) redirect here, while the article does not? 115.128.17.21 (talk) 08:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Taken care of.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 09:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

New Merge
Since the Glee page was nominated for a merge with this page rather than deletion, the gutted article remains. The image is gone from the remaining page(!), but all the text is just as it was before. So now, the page that we went through all this trouble to dispose of is for now in limbo - neither merged nor deleted. Almost worse than it was before. I voted for deletion; but soon(?) hopefully "merge" supporters will clear the dead carcass of the troublesome article off the site... Doc9871 (talk) 07:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Progressive Rock?
Noticed a back and forth on the question of whether or not this is prog rock. Now my instict would be to say no, but the band itself is listed as prog. So what's up? Opinion? Citations? --Leodmacleod (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * IMHO - hell, no, this is not progressive rock. But then again, the disputed addition and subtraction of genres (as it's only opinion anyway) will never end, and I'm not getting into it... Doc9871 (talk) 03:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * How 'bout.. a progressive ballad?? ...hahaha... My 2 cents, god bless 'em, i dont think they/Journey knew, what was to become the theme or anthem of a generation. Also, the chord progression.. IS quite ah progressive, yet almost classical and jazz-like.. 2602:304:CDAF:A3D0:4545:5EBD:9447:2A0 (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Here we go again....
So here goes the prog rock thing again. I don't care if it is or isn't. Really. I do care about maintaining wiki standards. I don't have a lot of time at the moment so I was hoping someone could tell me if Amazon.com is a reliable source on genre. I'm pretty sure it's not.

Also, I'm reverting the latest edit. I think anyone could figure out what was meant without the wordy explanation. HOwever, if anyone disagrees and thinks the long one's the good one, I won't object. --Leodmacleod (talk) 20:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * When I think of progressive rock, I think of Yes, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, and even some Kansas - NOT Journey. This is just more lame genre-warring, which goes on all the time everywhere.  It's very tiring.  Journey is not Progressive Rock, IMHO... Doc9871 (talk) 20:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I know. People get all emotionally invested in the labels attached to their music.  Never have understood that.  So amazon.com's not good right?  --Leodmacleod (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I dealt with it ;> Doc9871 (talk) 20:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Journey was Prog until mr. Perry arrived, just listen their first album... but certainly Don't stop believin'(g?) is not. may 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.45.240.207 (talk) 02:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Correct. Journey definitely was progressive rock, and it's listed in their Infobox on the page. I was mistaken in what I said a year ago and learned from another editor. And this song was not what most would consider prog rock. Good catch :> Doc   talk  08:51, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The Losers
This song was in 2010 film The Losers - iirc it was one of the guys singing it loudly with headphones to secure an empty elevator, not sure if the actual song cna be heard, but I think it may have been played at the end of the film also  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.6.145 (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

"It is the best selling digital song released in the 20st century."
Can somebody fix this? Is it the best selling in the 20th or 21st? I know the original was release in the 20th but is it supposed to be 21st because the digital copy was released in the 21st (was it? I have no idea). It should be "20th" or "21st", since there is no such thing as "20st". MatttK (talk) 00:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Politicians Using This Song
Newt Gingrich just used this song after winning the 2012 South Carolina primaries (or, his campaign selected it for his celebration of the same). Also, it was used for the Gore-Liberman presidential campaign in 2000. Not sure if this is worth adding to the article directly, so I offer it here first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.127.253.7 (talk) 14:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

UK
In the intro it says "in the United Kingdom, the song was not a Top 40 hit on its original release; however, it did reach #4 on a 2009 re-release, having gained increased popularity through its use on American television". But then under Popularity it says that the song was never re-released in the UK, but simply re-entered the charts and reached a peak of 6! 149.154.154.32 (talk) 18:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Who paid for the Glee ad?
Inquiring minds want to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.37.102 (talk) 01:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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Genre
Can we find something more specific than rock? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.94.57.91 (talk) 21:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Music Genre
For this song, I added the rock subgenre arena rock but was removed. This was sourced on singersroom.com where they state the song is, “a favorite among fans of arena rock and power ballads.” I would say this is direct enough language that wouldn’t violate WP:EXPLICITGENRES(Though I’m not entirely sure). Also, I found that the song features the characteristics of Arena Rock, like keyboards, anthemic power ballads, and a very arena-heavy sound. Why was this removed on the info box then? 68.134.60.19 (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think singersroom.com is not a reliable source. Let's find better sourcing for something this important. The genres that we list in the infobox should be ones that are widely seen in the literature. Binksternet (talk) 15:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)