Talk:Don't fuck with the formula

Controversy?
I fail to see how this article can be categorised as a 1966 controversy (in the end-of-article categories). Firstly, the lead states that the comment was made by Love "circa 1967"; then, we learn that it was only made public in 1971. But aside from the year given in the category, why is D-f-w-t-f a controversy at all? The statement, or rather what it represents, has invited plenty of commentary from Beach Boys biographers and music journalists, but it's hardly an issue that's reverberated outside of that context to become a public controversy. It's just intra-band rancour with repercussions. Along with the level of detail that's given in much of the article, which gives the impression of padding out the piece, the approach here seems to be to hype up the point and its importance. JG66 (talk) 12:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Is your point that, because the controversy did not rise to the level of cross burnings or public letters of apology, that it's not a "real" controversy? Obviously there has to be some preamble to explain what "the formula" was, what it meant to "fuck with" it, and why Mssr. Love would have felt a need to preserve it. As it turns out, there's a lot of different interpretations, contradicting viewpoints, and oft-overlooked aspects to consider.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Merge Consensus
I see you are suggesting there was a discussion that suggested merging this with Collapse of Smile. Where did that discussion take place? I don't see any AFD, nor could I see it on this talk page, or that talk page. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:23, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Several editors voiced their concerns on Talk:Brian Wilson is a genius. I have since changed my view on this article; the topic is better summarized as part of Collapse of Smile, where all of the line's context is enumerated. ilil (talk) 03:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , well from a New Page Patrol perspective I agree with you. However, given the disagreement here and there to such a move it seems that it will need a formal merge discussion. I'll start one in just a moment. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Or not as I see you've gone ahead and done the redirect. Should that be reverted again it really should have a formal move discussion on the two affected articles talk pages. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Merge

 * Merge Per #2–4 WP:OVERLAP: The topic is already summarized entirely – and with greater detail and context – in the "Mike Love" section of Collapse of Smile. Most sources also only cover the quote as a passing reference, and much of the coverage that is about the quote (as opposed to the album Smile) is sourced to Love's autobiography (WP:SIGCOV). ilil (talk) 00:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge. Per WP:OVERLAP. The subject can be covered adequately at Collapse of Smile and perhaps at Mike Love also. I don't know why we ever had an article dedicated to this phrase/theme. As mentioned elsewhere (at Talk:Brian Wilson is a genius, I think), there could easily be articles on statements made by members of the Beatles: Harrison's "I'm not a Beatle anymore" from 1966; Lennon's "Genius is pain" in 1970; McCartney's "It's a drag" (off-hand comment made straight after Lennon's murder in 1980). Biographers and pop culture historians have got plenty creative with those statements and their significance, but that still doesn't warrant treatment for each in a Wikipedia article. JG66 (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)