Talk:Don Hutson/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 11:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Grabbing for a review shortly. Miyagawa (talk) 11:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Firstly, full disclosure. I'm a Packers fan. However, I'm also British, and so I may query or suggest links to articles on American football terminology that might seem silly to someone brought up with the game. But I'll ask for them anyway. :)
 * A British Packers fan, eh? I'm working with WP:PACKERS on getting List of Green Bay Packers retired numbers to a Good Topic. So you can expect four more of these in the future (Favre is already GA).
 * Glad if could teach a Packer fan anything about Hutson. There are few leather-helmet-wearing players who could make an "all-time" team roster filled with big, modern players, but Hutson is the exception. Cake (talk) 18:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Lead: Having said that, the first suggestion isn't to do with football at all! Link senior to Senior (education)


 * Split end: "In 1938 Hutson had nine touchdown" put a comma after 1938 - in fact, I notice this is repeated a few times in the section. Have a quick skim and see where it might be appropriate to put commas after years.
 * ✅ Think I got them all.


 * "Hutson had seven touchdown receptions to lead the league for the fifth time in six seasons." needs a cite
 * ✅ Replaced with something else. That was a bit of OR on my part.


 * The chair route caption on the diagram needs a citation as it isn't specifically mentioned in the article text
 * ✅ by Cake (and I filled out the ref for the lazy bum)


 * NFL records: I take it that most points scored in a quarter isn't covered by the three cites previously mentioned, and everything else is?
 * Yes, the reason for citing only that was because, as the 1989 LA Times story states, that record was taken out of the record book for whatever reason. Everything else can be found in the LA Times article, and the 2015 NFL Record and Fact book which I have under general references. Should I cite page numbers for each record?


 * Cite #1: Needs a source (ESPN) and access date


 * Cites #6 though #8 need to be fully filled out, and (for #6) with the same date format as the others.


 * Also #11 and #14 also need to be filled out


 * Images: Currently there are four images, two of which are only fair use. No issues with the free use ones, but the fact that they exist are problematic for the fair use ones. As per WP:FREER, if a free use image exists which would fulfil the same purpose as the fair use image then the fair use one cannot be used. As I see it, the infobox image could be replaced by the image currently captioned "Hutson on the run" as it shows him in the Packers uniform, with his number 14. The difference is that the fair use image is a better shot of his face, but I do not believe that is required to understand the article. Perhaps if the free use images were only from behind Hutson, and so his face was completely obscured, then I think it could be argued. But that isn't the case here.
 * Removed the eye black fair use one and replaced it with the image that was there yesterday...


 * Regarding the image of Hutson's induction into the Hall of Fame, I think that could be argued under WP:NFCI that it an image with historical importance, and so it is a photo of the event rather than just of Hutson. On that basis, the fair use rationale needs to be fleshed out, as right now it's just for visual identification which would be shot down on the basis that there are two free use images.
 * Specified its use as a photo of the event. Not sure if there's anything else that I should include. If it comes down to it I could just remove it as well.

I believe that's everything. Lizard (talk) 01:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's the lot. Not a great deal of issues, with probably the biggest issue being those fair use images. Placing the review on hold for the standard seven days. Miyagawa (talk) 15:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I got greedy with the eye-black photo, picking the best one. It's an encyclopedia not an art project obv, but it made some sense to have one on the run and one catching a pass, and neither one showed much of the face. Cake (talk) 02:55, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Great, regarding the page numbers - those would be great. But since you're committed to doing them, I'm not going to hold back the promotion because of it. Good job! Miyagawa (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2016 (UTC)