Talk:Don Nardo

Prod
I removed the prod placed on the article. If according to the LoC, he's published somewhere around 300 books, I'd think that'd be prolific enough to warrant notability, but I could be wrong.

I don't see anything about it in WP:CREATIVE or WP:PROF. Still, if that doesn't warrant notability, then I would think he still passes WP:CREATIVE or WP:PROF; a bit of searching on the first few pages found some relevant things such as this (which I, admittedly, question as a valid source) and this. If the article is to be believed, and he did work on productions such as Macbeth or Hamlet, his involvement may be notable. Also, the references the article creator very nicely laid out wil probably assert some notability. I won't deny that it would need a major rewrite (as it currently is a "puff piece"), but I think it should be looked into a bit more. Also, anyone should feel to take this to AfD. A discussion there is just as okay.

Note: I don't know what the hell is up with my computer, but it's being really funky. That's why there was a huge delay between the removal of the prod and this comment. Sorry for any inconvenience. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 17:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a listing of most of the 300 books:
 * http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Nardo,%20Don Tor31 (talk) 09:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)Tor31

Need some advice about rewrites
Dear Leo Bloom (I love the reference to "The Producers"!!), I'm so sorry if this came across as a puff piece. I certainly didn't mean for it to. My approach was to do a lot of research and find out as much as I could about the guy, and then just lay it all out in approximate chronological and thematic order. Admittedly, I've long been impressed by his wide range of talents and accomplishments, so perhaps my admiration came through in the writing. Also admittedly, I've never written a Wikipedia article before, so maybe I should have used a different approach but didn't know an alternative one to take, if you get my drift. Could you give me some advice on how I should rewrite it to make it more fitting? Also, I'm not quite sure I understand the stuff in the boxes that are presently located at the top of the article. Any advice you can give would very helpful and appreciated. Thanks so much. Best, Ed --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The Producers? I've heard of the movie, but never seen it. Huh. My username was a flawed homage to Ulysses by Mr. Joyce (the main character's name is Leopold Bloom and mine is Leonard), but whatever works I suppose.
 * First things first, the issue of being a "puff piece". That term slightly exaggerates the condition of the article. What is meant by that (at least, what I meant by it) was that it seemed to portray some conflict of interest on your part. Does one exist? If so, I ask that you work elsewhere on Wikipedia. Editors with ties to the subjects, especially people, does not bode well.
 * The next thing you can you do to help this article, and your experience on Wikipedia as a whole is read this and read the policies and guidelines it recommends you know. That will you understand the templates on the top of the article, and allow you deal with problems that you confront with this article.
 * While you read those policies, I'm going to properly reference, wikify (which basically means to add blue links and make it look like other articles), and edit the article.
 * As you've never written an article before, I suggest you read the help page we have for first-timers, called My First Article. Happy editing, and if you need any help, always feel free to contact me on my talk page, which is found in that previous link, or clicking the "Leo" in my signature. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 21:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Explanation of minor change
Leonard (or other interested parties), the edits and formatting you did look excellent. I made only one small change. That, is, I added back the sentence about Nardo's change of direction (between acting and script-writing), because without it seems jarring. In other words, one wonders why or how an actor suddenly started writing scripts. This change of interest/direction was mentioned in both of the newspaper articles mentioned in notes 4 and 5. So we could put a citation for both right after the word "teleplays." I don't know how to insert these with the proper formatting, so could you do it? Thanks.

One quick question. If the article ends up being accepted (which I know is still uncertain), should we have a picture of Nardo? I don't care either way. I am reasonably sure that I can get permission to use one of the pics in his web site. Is there a place in the Wiki guidelines that explains how to document such permission? Best, Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 00:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article doesn't need to be "accepted"; it isn't standing trial. :P If you contact him and he allows you to use a picture, then you would upload under the "The work of someone else, who has given permission to use it on Wikipedia or it is a work released under a free license" option. Be sure you understand (or have at least read; if you're confused, feel free to ask) WP:IUP (Image Use Policy) and WP:UPIMG (the specifics behind uploading images). You also might consider looking into finding an infobox, but if not, I can find one. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 00:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Tried to add citation needed near beginning
There was a note that said "citation needed" near the start of the article, I believe after the word "teens." I tried to add the citation, which appears in the Victor Davis Hanson article listed as footnote 10 (in which Hanson calls Nardo the country's "preeminent practitioner" of writing history for young people), by typing "[10]" after "teens." But it did not carry through after I clicked "save," apparently because I don't know how to do the complex formatting involved. Could Leonard or someone else make this addition? Thanks, Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 11:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be anything in the tenth source stating 'He is one of the country’s foremost writers of historical works for children and teens'. The ref is a set of reviews of one of his books stating that it is good. So, it's best to leave the 'citation needed' template. N P ervez 11:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Are we talking about 2 different footnotes?
Hi KP. I'm not sure, but I think you are referring to footnote 9, which is, as you said, a compilation of reviews. I was referring to footnote 10, the comment by Hanson, which actually appears in full in the "Writing career" section, in which he says Nardo is the leading history writer for young people. Thanks, Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Woops! I meant NP, not KP
Sorry for the typo! Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sorry about the mistake. I'll fix that then.
 * Plus, you should get round to reading WP:REF it can really help you on creating citations right :) N P ervez 13:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Tried to fix web site
I tried to fix Nardo's web site link, which didn't work. But I failed. Maybe someone else will have some luck. Best, Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 22:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Just noticed a related fact...
In relation to my prior post, about the web site, I just noticed that the link to it in footnote #4 does work fine, but the link to it near the bottom does not. As a beginner to Wikipedia, I can't fathom why, but thought this would be useful information for whoever tries to fix it. Thanks, Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

changed wife's last name
In the last couple of days I've found her name listed not only as "Nielsen," but also as "Nielsen-Nardo" and just "Nardo." In the interest of accuracy, I thought it best to just use her first name (and let the reader assume she uses "Nardo"). Thanks, Ed. --Edthehistroybuff (talk) 18:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you've seen it multiple ways, it would be best to find something conclusive and cite it. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 22:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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