Talk:Donald Watson/Archive 1

Animal Rights Activist Mislabeling
Ingrid Newkirk · Alex Pacheco are not animal rights activists, they are animal welfarists, they state this clearly themselves at peta.org. Ajkochanowicz (talk) 01:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, PETA, as Newkirk and Pacheco, is an animal rights organisation, that accepts improve animal welfare when it's possible. Akhran (talk) 08:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Animal Welfare is not the same as Animal rights, rather it is argued by many that these concepts are antithetical, certainly Donald Watson's Vegan view of animals is NOT Welfarist. You can call yourself anything (PETA, HSUS, etc) but that doesn't make it true! PETA promote "cage free" eggs, which means they are advocating that it is possible to eat eggs in a "more ethical" way, this is not in line with the Veganism as defined by DW, rather it promotes the instrumental use of animals. For further clarification see the work or Tom Regan or Gary Francione www.abolitionistapproach.com Making money off selling eggs was not part of Watson's philosophy! VeganWarrior (talk) 15:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Please provide quotes and references!--Jdmumma (talk) 17:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Ingrid Newkirk and Alex Pacheco aren't currently mentioned in this article and so this is no longer relevent and should be deleted or archived. No citations of sources have been given and as such some of the assertations are not varified to be true. Flufybumblebee (talk) 14:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Directions
This article has some promise, but there are things that need work. The big one is this: There are people who do not agree with the movement (or who would ridicule it), and this article is not written to address their issues. This article needs the cold, hard facts, that are verifiable by reputable sources. Notice how heavily footnoted the Veganism article is. Some people have gone to some great effort to find sources for that material. Maybe not as much is needed in this article, but that's the direction it should go. Don't leave Donald Watson open to casual criticism! 67.169.127.176 (talk) 06:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

German Sources requested
Is there any informationa about German sources of Watson, e.g. in Books he read or used? Werner Kollath, Max Otto Bruker have developed, as ealry as in the 20ies and 30ies highly generic (in the sense of dealing with all aspects of lifestyle) dietary theories around Whole grain and Raw food which sound in some aspects similar, Johann Georg Schnitzer later tried to prove humans as being fructivors. Some of the Völkisch movement as well the Lebensreform tendencies in Germany provide fitting predecessors, including strong opinions on Animal welfare. BR --Polentario (talk) 19:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * See the article on Donald Watson at the German Wikipedia http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Watson Lumos3 (talk) 10:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Attempts to clean up
I've made some attempts to clean this article up - specifically in the "early life" section. I'm sorry if some of my edits are clumsy, especially the references. I'm still not quite sure I understand how to properly format those. Please bear with me, and any advice on how I can improve is definitely welcomed! --Jonddunn (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Citations and cleanup are helpful. Specific information you added in the first paragraph of the section makes much of the information in the third paragraph (below the quote) redundant. Perhaps that last paragraph can be removed completely. Jessfriis (talk) 23:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's a good point. I just removed that last para for now. --Jonddunn (talk) 13:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'm glad my suggestion was helpful! Keep up the good work. Jessfriis (talk) 15:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Is there any information about if donalnd watson knew about the historical use of milk rather than his own opinion ,or the killing in harvest/crops ?
if somebody knows ,won't he add how watson reacted to what he saw in the crops ? --109.65.48.35 (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Wanting us to believe that at fifteen, he hadn't found out where bacon and pork sausages were from is a tad disingenuous. Athanasius V (talk) 23:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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His actual diet
This article reads like Watson was actually a vegetarian who gave up drinking milk around 1940, and not an actual vegan. Did he really give up on all dairy products (including butter or cheese) and all egg products? Most doughs (such as in sourdough used for most types of bread and pastry) contain lactates and lactic acid made from cow milk and lecithin made from egg yolk as emulsifiers (which are often already contained in flour as a flour treatment agent or dough conditioner), and another common emulsifier used in doughs are mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids, which are often made of animal fats and oil. So did he even give up on eating bread or pastries? All of which would not render him an actual vegan. --46.93.158.170 (talk) 12:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)