Talk:Donetsk National University/Archive 1

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I am currently in Donetsk. I am a lecturer from Barcelona who was teaching in Kaunas and Vilnius (Lithuania). I moved to Donetsk at the beginning of July 2016 to teach next fall semester 2016 and spring semester 2017. I have given already some interviews to the local media of Donetsk. I include here the interview (in Russian language) broadcasted by the local television channel "OTPLOT TV" (here: Interview OTPLOT JULY 2016 ) and in English broadcasted by the local channel "Novorossia Today" (here:Interview Novorossia Today (English)). You can find more information about me in my personal site (here: http://mpuertas.blogspot.com). The articles published in the Wikipedia regarding to the Luhansk and Donetsk universities and higher education institutions are highly biased. They were probably written by somebody working for the pro-maidan government of Petro Poroshenko. The articles contain huge quantity of false data and misinformation. The universities in the areas controlled by the anti-maidan forces are working properly in both cities. Most of the professors, teachers and personnel remained here and also most of the local students. I can tell you that the Donestk National Technical University (DonNTU), the biggest and most prestigious institution in the Donbass, was bombed several times in 2014 by the pro-maidan forces using mortars, artillery and even ballistic missils Toshka U. I know this information because I have been in the Rectorate of DoNTU. I interviewed the head of the Donetsk National Technical University professor Sergey Dzhura.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl4gk044Tv4 Interview to professor Sergey Dzhura. Donetsk National Technical University]. He is an Engineer who was born in Donetsk, he studied in DonNTU and has been for many years the head of the international office in this university. He has been dealing with Tempus and Erasmus programmes and also was coordinating the international students. On the doors and walls of his office still are visible the holes left by the bullets of the pro-maidan forces that attacked the university when the students, teachers, professors and personnel were inside. The office of the Pro-Rector was totally destroyed as the video included in this post shows. Attacking the university placed in the center of Donetsk may constitute a war crime and should be investigate. More than 80 people were injured. Some of them were killed included one professor of DonNTU.

The pro-maidan goverment of Petro Poroshenko has opened in small towns out of the Donbass some facilities with very few students or professors. The students attending those facilities are not from Donetsk or Luhansk. And very few professors working in those facilities are coming from Luhansk or Donetsk. Crossing the de facto border between the territory controlled by the pro-maidan forces and the territory controlled by the anti-maidan forces (called "terrorists" by Poroshenko or "pro-Russians" by the main-stream media) is very difficult, practically impossible. And many teachers and professors working in Luhansk and Donetsk universities would be arrested and would face serious problems if they try to cross this border. I want to tell here that mostly the people of Donetsk and Luhansk were against the maidan movement that ousted the democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich, a man from Gorlovka (a town controlled nowadays by the anti-maidan forces) and who studied in DonNTU (Donetsk National Technical University). The government of Poroshenko (called by the anti-maidan forces "Kiev Junta") also created several websites in English stealing the name of the institutions that still are working successfully in Donetsk and Luhansk. The diplomas of the high schools, colleges and universities issued by the educative institutions of Donetsk and Luhansk are recognized by the Russian Federation and internationally have the same value that any of the diplomas issued by the Russian Federation. Currently there are several cooperation programmes between Russian universities and the universities of Donetsk and Luhansk. Some of the universities here have even agreements with China. The Wikipedia should not be partizan and not support any of the parts involved in the current militar and political conflict. Around 4 million people are living in the territories controlled by the anti-maidan forces and they look pretty happy out of the control of the forces that took the power in Kiev ousting the President that was elected by the Ukrainian people. I include in this post the websites of some of the higher education institutions working in Luhansk and Donetsk. They always have been working here and they continue working here. Wikipedia should maybe include an article about this issue and also include the links to the webs of the universities that are opened and working as usual in Donetsk and Luhansk. Those webs are written in Russian and Ukrainian language not in English like the websites created by the pro-maidan government of Poroshenko. How a facility placed in the small village of Starobilsk (Western Ukraine) with only 18.000 inhabitants can pretend to be the Luhansk National University "Tadas Shevchenko"? How a small facility placed in the small town of Krasnoarmiysk (now re-named "Pokrovsk" by the new pro-maidan authorities), a town with around 60.000 inhabitants, can pretend to be the Donetsk National Technical University?

Main higher education institutions of Donetsk websites: DONNUET. Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade (in Russian language Донецкий национальный университет экономики и торговли) website: http://donnuet.dn.ua/ DONU. Donetsk National University ( in Russian language Донецкий национальный университет) website: http://donnu.ru/about DonNTU. Donetsk National Technical University (in Russian language Донецкий национальный технический университет) website: http://donntu.org/ DNMU. Donetsk National Medical University "Maxim Gorky" ( in Russian language Донецкий национальный медицинский университет им. М. Горького website: http://dnmu.ru/

Main higher education institutions of Luhansk websites: LTSU. Luhansk National University "Tadas Shevchenko" (in Russian Луганский государственный университет имени Тараса Шевченко) website: http://ltsu.org/ LGMU. Luhansk State medical University (in Russian Луганский государственный медицинский университет) website: http://lgmu.ru/ LSUVD Luhansk State University "Volodymyr Dahl" (in Russian Луганский государственный университет имени Владимира Даля) website: http://dahluniver.ru/ LNAU Luhansk National Agrarian University (in Russian Луганский национальный аграрный университет) website: http://www.lnau.su/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzo Blogger (talk • contribs) 11:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You are misinforming people. First of all: DonNU and DonNTU were always two separate Universities. There is no need to confuse people, mixing Donetsk NATIONAL University, and Donetsk National TECHNICIAN University (former DPI).
 * "Oplot" and "Novorosia" smth smth - are not independent media in any way both are Russian controlled propaganda channels. So you'd better not to link to them, neither to given them any materials.
 * >"The universities in the areas controlled by the anti-maidan forces are working properly in both cities. Most of the professors, teachers and personnel remained here and also most of the local students."
 * Please Don't forget that 'antimaidan' actually means 'controlled by russians', since there were never pro-Russian activity in Donetsk before the Russian invasion (political party 'Russian block' posessed about 3% of Donetsk votes on previous elections, so any pro-Russian policy in Donetsk is essentially an external influence).
 * Most of professors and students have leaved, and continued the education in Vinnytsia (the city, not a town). I will duplicate here a piece of my text down below:
 * On the "university" stayed in Donetsk: those people who organized it are either had been filed from DonNU long time before the conflict had started (so-called rector Baryshnikow), or did not have any relations to this university at all. On the other hand, there are sources for a) the rector speach, where he claimed that most part of professors were registred to move to Vinnytsia due to the evacuation; b) public documents that says those who did not registred are filed from the University; c) the site of registration (now closed, but links to their data could still be found on the Internet) with the count of students registred in evacuation - about 7 thousands of 12 th. In Ukrainian system, students have to re-apply for the education after the forth year, so thats about about 1/4 of all - which is 3th - they do not have to be accounted due to the secondary apply process. So 7th out of 12th become the actual 7th out of ~9th. Since there were also "free auditors" programms before the actual evacuation had started, for students to learn in other universities, and at least 1th of 1-2-3-rd year students did apply, it is at minimum 8th out of 9th students in any Ukrainian universities. Which implies, that 1 thousand students - is the total of = 1) undercounted free auditors + 2) those who leave the education or delayed it + 3) those who might possibly left in captured campuses of university to continue the education. I doubt they had even 100 of previous 12 000 students (15 000 actually, but thats a different story - another ~3 000 had graduate in 2014 year, while no 1-years applied to replenish them). It is more likely, that they had gathered those who had not passed exams, and some agressive youth of illegal armed organizations - to continue "educate them" in the walls of university instead of their previous status of "russian patriotic movement for youth" and something like that, to make it more pretentious.
 * So no enough of "the teachers and students that remained in the city" were actually exist to start from, if you mean the teachers and students of DonNU before the war had started.
 * Although it is not clear what the situation is now. Since the University is located in Vinnytsia it is expected that most of current students are locals, or from Kyiv. But also, evacuated universities have programms for children who obtain their school education in occupied territories (those kids are isolated by Russian forces from taking their all-Ukrainian aplication test called ZNO, and they often have troubles with getting school attestats), thus it is likely for them to also go to those Universities, rather than usual Ukrainian universities. How does this affect the proportion of people from Vinnytsia/people from Donetsk among students is unclear, since there are no public data on where each student from.
 * BUT it is also clear, that at the moment of evacuation in Autumn 2014 there were about 7 000 students ('free auditors' were coming back there for their second semestr, thus this number was slowly increasing throughout the year) mostly from Donetsk and Donetsk region, and those were the only students of 2014-2015 year, so almost 100% of DonNU students in Vinnytsia were actually Donetsk students during the first year after evacuation.
 * Rethinking this situation, you can ensure yourself that about 3/5 of students of 2015/2016 year were also guarantied to be Donetsk students. As well as >40% in 2016/2017; >20% in 2017/2018 and >17% in 2018/2019 as well since switching to 6-years education instead of 5-years. So this year there must be the whole 6 course of people who evacuate from Donetsk; a lot of returned students from FA programms on different courses - also from Donetsk, and a lot of people who might go to Vinnytsia from Donetsk to use one of "Centre Donbass-Ukraine" programms (it is not tied to DonNU but to all the Universities that had been evacuated from occupied territories of Donbass and Crimea).--Realmentat (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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