Talk:Dong Fuxiang

Dong Fuxiang
to be added later as a source to the article-

"1908 - and the fine new houses erected by his followers who had made fortunes out 12 east. In 1911 the Tung clan, his grandson Tung Kung and his nephew Tung Wen directed by his widow Tung Chao-shih, took up arms on the monarchist side and participated in the nearly successful counter-offensive of the Kansu armies."

http://books.google.com/books?id=NNAMAQAAMAAJ&q=his+followers+made+fortunes+1911+tung+clan&dq=his+followers+made+fortunes+1911+tung+clan&hl=en&ei=WXnsTairE-HL0QHQnv29AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA

06:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Page 171

"1908 - and the fine new houses erected by his followers who had made fortunes out 12 east. In 1911 the Tung clan, his grandson Tung Kung and his nephew Tung Wen directed by his widow Tung Chao-shih, took up arms on the monarchist ..."

http://books.google.com/books?id=4RUiAQAAMAAJ&q=his+followers+made+fortunes+1911+tung+clan&dq=his+followers+made+fortunes+1911+tung+clan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rljHU6yBDrHisASo2oHQBQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA

Seeking consensus to use Wuwei Rear Troop as official name
I have no objection to names like Muslim Kansu Braves for Dong Fuxiang Army before they came to Peking, but during the Boxer Rebellion times, Dong's army was given a new name and grouped under the command of Wuwei Troop, with Ronglu as Dong's superior commander. We need to use the official name at that time, to avoid any confusion. Arilang   talk  01:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Yong(Chinese:勇 English:Braves) was the official name of the local militia, exactly what Muslim Kansu Braves were. Only after they were official recruited into the Imperial Army as the Wuwei Rear Troop, they could then enjoyed the full benefit of the Imperial Army system, including pay and rations. After that, the name was changed changed into Bing (Chinese:兵 English:soldiers), and they were no longer Yong(Chinese:勇 English:Braves), so the name Muslim Kansu Braves is no longer accurate after their recruitment. Wikipedia should not use any name knowing it is an error. Arilang   talk  14:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Dong Fuxiang's religion
Page 109 of this book indicates that he was in fact not muslim, but commanded muslim troops. The consular officer who wrote the book said that he though dong was a muslim but was told directly that he was a non muslim han chinese who commanded muslim soldiers.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fdk8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=kansu+braves+imperialist+western&source=bl&ots=rlj92fHUh0&sig=fMkUBq5qDdak9n1k-FAtZPHZq6I&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20general%20commanding%20moslem&f=false

Mendsetting (talk) 03:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Familiar strangers by jonathan neaman lipman says that dong was definitely non muslim and explains the mistake westerners made-

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=Fuxiang+said,+%22I+shall+send+people+to+urge+them&source=bl&ots=62yz3ueToh&sig=9xg0obse6yprZhZvc_uX_yFAvdU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ptRGUNXTMeXz0gGY5YCABg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Bromhall%20pique%20unambiguously%20non%20press&f=false

Mendsetting (talk) 04:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

anti foreign activites before the outbreak of the boxer rebellion
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23837836

Seyeednu (talk) 23:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Boxer rebellion
A Horribly innacurate account of dong fuxiang's role in the boxer war- his troops never went near ketteler, and the russians in real life screwed up badly when trying to enter beijing, getting over two dozen of themselves killed and over a hundred wounded, while this book portrays the allies as facing virtually no resistance

http://books.google.com/books?id=4wODajYOA-0C&pg=PA128&dq=ma+fuxiang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F2-kUKLzK--20QGKx4HIDg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAjhG#v=onepage&q=ma%20fuxiang&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 04:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

http://books.google.com/books?id=lAxresT12ogC&pg=PA207#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fjEQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ir-hm6IGWnEC&pg=PA44#v=onepage&q&f=false

The I. G. in Peking: Letters of Robert Hart, Chinese Maritime Customs, 1868-1907

http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZybVIprRUMC&pg=PA1271#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZybVIprRUMC&pg=PA1196#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZybVIprRUMC&pg=PA1199#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 08:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Killing of sugiyama akira
http://books.google.com/books?id=v2I-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA73#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=n88WAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA46#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=V1QuAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA59#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=jXEIcDWjad4C&pg=PA31#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=5vFLjPAq-p0C&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=zNs51BGkrfQC&pg=PA18#v=onepage&q&f=false

exile

http://books.google.com/books?id=dWZCAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA201#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Play set in beijing during the boxer rebellion
http://books.google.com/books?id=nkIhzyBPV4UC&pg=PA135#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 22:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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