Talk:Dong Zhuo

The Mighty Tyrant Dong Zhuo
Through his foul means and ruling over China with a iron fist, Dong Zhuo became a trouble for everyone. With Lu Bu at his side, Dong Zhuo over powered many people who couldn't withstand his might or as he would say, "Pitful Insects! They don't stand a chane against us!"


 * In reality, he did not need Lu Bu to be invincible. His army from Liang Province was the most formidable force at the time. Of the numerous members of the coalition, only Sun Jian was recorded to have Dong defeated several times. BUT the defeats in the allied side were numerous: Li Jue and Guo Si even travelled Cao's domain as if Chenliu was their backyard.EkmanLi (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * DIdn't he? While militarily his troops could outmach almost all China (they would have probably collapsed if Sichuan would have joined the allies) it was vulnerable to plots and intrigues and the intrigue that moved him out of power won due to gaining Lü Bu to their side. As to reply to the discussions below - it was not easy to get rid of mr. Dong. The emperor was practically a hostage. That was the purpose of his existance. With his strong troops Dong was practicaally immune from all plots from emperor's side, eliminating them might have changed the power lines in court and brought on his destruction, while some strong troops and Lü Bu were a guarantee that a plot that removes him, like poison or suicidal assassin, would not change the power - just as his generals later proved with attack on Changan, capturing the emperor and restoring the condition prior to Dong's death. - Melilac (talk) 15:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

An Ending Ambition of the Tyrant
Even after losing his Luo Yang, Dong Zhuo was still a threat to many with many generals at his side to support his reign. Dong Zhuo always had a slight advantage during his time of failure. He could've went into hiding and reappeared during a time fo peace but, due to Lu Bu's revolt, Dong Zhuo would never have another chance to retake the land back.

I've tried to clean up the article a bit, to make it a little easier to read. I'd like a second opinion before taking down the clean-up message, though.


 * i don't quite think the article is anywhere near the satisfactory standard. Not only does it need cleaning up and expansion, it also requires a general copyediting to fix grammatical errors. And please sign off with four tildes (~) next time. Thanks. :) --Plastictv 01:21, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Dong Zhuo, the tyrannt of men
===With Lu Bu and the beautiful Diao Chan at his side, Dong Zhuo became a man who could rule all over the land of China. Dong Zhuo atrocities may have left him strong but I would prefer if Lu Bu or Hua Xiong would be the ones in charge of the city Luoyang.

===The relationship between Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu turns for the worst soon enough. With the tyrannt gone, Lu Bu could've aimed for a more strong foundation with either Cao Cao or others in the land. My point that I am trying to capture here is that even if Dong Zhuo is a tyrannt, there are better ways to either rid him or eliminate him of any power.

--Jin Mai 04:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) I hope this summons up Dong Zhuo.


 * After reading through that twice, i'm fairly sure that i simply don't get you. --Plastictv 07:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, me neither. Not to be discouraging, but I think talk pages are intended for discussing the article (it's accuracy, neutrality etc.), not the subject.  70.171.59.231 16:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Fact or fiction
i'd like to remind any editor of Three Kingdoms-related articles to be more than cautious in distinguishing historical fact from fiction. In this case, it was not suggested in any way within historical records that the move to Chang'an was the suggestion of Li Ru, though in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms it was. That was why i removed the reference to Li Ru added by DengMao. --Plastictv 11:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

The Summary of Dong Zhuo
The Tyrannt of the Han as he was seen and everywhere he went, he was ready to bring death to anyone that disrespected his words. With Lu Bu at his side, he was even more powerful than anything in the land. After finally reading over the discussions repeatly, here is what can be said about Dong Zhuo.

From Jin Mai's point of view, he was trying to say that Dong Zhuo could have been easily removed from power as he got in. Moreover, rather than go to war against him, why not bring up charges against him, slay him in his sleep, or poison him with a drink. On the other hand, Lu Bu kills Dong Zhuo and after having his own freedom, the mighty warrior could've aimed for something more than just a unless battle with Cao Cao.

I hope that this sums up all the information Jin Mai said early --Zhang Liao 04:55, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Taishi (太师) vs Taifu (太傅)
Dong Zhou received the title of Taishi after he relocated the capital to Chang'an, and his new title should be different to Taifu. Current edition suggests the two titles indifferent. However, according to Ban Gu's Hanshu, Taishi is a superior title to Taifu.《漢書·卷十九·百官公卿表第七》: “太師、太保，皆古官，平帝元始元年皆初置，金印紫綬. 太師位在太傅上，太保次太傅. ” Thus, I'm making changes to the main page. Do correct me if I'm wrong, caz Ban Gu had his work completed circa 82 CE, a hundred years prior to the reinstatement of the post Taishi, and I can't be absolutely sure if the two titles in question were still different in 190.--EkmanLi (talk) 04:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Dong Zhou search problem
When searching Dong Zhou, I found problems with finding the correct article, because it lead me to "Eastern Zhou" on the first option, as a redirect. There is no explicit detail on the top right search when on an article, so you kind of have to hope the link takes you where you want it to. This should be fixed so people can find what they are looking for.

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