Talk:Donkey Kong Jungle Beat/Archive 1

Merge discussion

 * Merge It does not need an extra page. Do I really need to explain? Should be clear how it's redundent. --SeizureDog 06:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep it as seperate pages, since its long enough to merit its own article -- T B C [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|18px|]] ???  ???   ??? 02:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't merge. There's just no need, and the page would be very long anyway. RobbieG 19:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't merge. Case solved. Bly1993 14:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Ninjape
Why does Ninjape redirect here? This article isn't about Ninjapes! Nothing is gained by including pointless redirects. Supposing someone is looking for Ninjape on here, they'll be redirected here and be none the wiser! 12:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I've given Ninjapes a whole section to themselves, which they don't deserve. It's pretty clumsy looking actually, but at least the redirect won't confuse people anymore. Besides, Ninjapes are cool, and they did prove reasonably popular with fans - at least, more so than that chicken thing or those spiky ice monsters. RobbieG 17:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I've now moved them to the list of non-Kremling Donkey Kong enemies, which I think is a more appropriate place for them. RobbieG 12:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Jungle Fever
Jungle Fever has nothing to do with Jungle Beat. It's nothing but a type of skilltester thing, not even an actual game, let alone a rereleased Jungle Beat.

Criticism
Instead of typing all the things that you didn't like about the game into a paragraph, it might be a little more productiveto find some reviews to support your points. I put some Fact things in there. Use your discresion. --Thaddius 21:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There was some critisicm about the game's length in GameSpot's review (as well as a few others). Click Here --Covenant Elite 02:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * How come all we are seeing is the problems Rare fans had with the game instead of what anybody liked about it? The very idea that DKC's storyline is something better than DKJB when it replaces "Get all your Bananas back" with "become the King of Kings." is laughable, period.  Furthermore, one cannot call DJKB "short" when it actually has more levels and bosses than DKC.  this "Criticism" section is not really a criticism section, but rather a forum for bitter Rare fans who had a problem with Nintendo having the absolute GALL to use their own intellectual property again without their permission.  --- Concerned Wikipedia User


 * What you think of the game does not counter the fact that people have these problems with the game, and their arguments are just as valid as yours (even moreso in my opinion). The critisism section is there to include Rare fans' opinions, and however laughable you find them, you can't ignore them, because Wikipedia articles aren't based around the opinions of a single person. According to the article, there are 36 stages, which is only 4 more than DKC, which can still make DKC longer depending on the difficulty and how long it takes to complete, also, the DKC sequels have 39 and 40 stages (46 even in the DKC3 GBA port), so saying DKJB has more stages is only valid in one case against two.


 * You response and this whole "criticism" section is so full of weasel words it is sickening. WHO has a problem with this game?  "Some?"  "Many?"  "People?"  WHO?  The only thing factual in that entire section is that the producers didn't want to bog the game down with a pointless storyline, much like Rare didn't in their "Get your bananas back," "Get DK back," "Get DK and Diddy back" storylines.  Yet DKJB's storyline is maligned for being as pointless as the others.

"which many felt went against the beach-combing pacisfist characterization of Donkey Kong that had been in effect since 1994."

And what in the sam hill is this line? Citation needed here, please. I would love to know where this "Donkey Kong beachcomber" schtick comes in. What does that even mean? He didn't punch people in DK64? He had a GUN in the previous game! This opinion has no foundation BUT somebody else's preconceived notions about what they think goes on behind the scenes at Donkey Kong development.

"The way Donkey Kong is portrayed, with includes a lot of his expression, both in-game and in artwork, is considered ridiculous by some."

Weasel Weasel Weasel. WHO? What credible source other than a message board user named "DJKBsux" has said this?

"The critisism section is there to include Rare fans' opinions."

Funny I thought it was there to include CRITICISM, both positive and negative. Instead all that's there is a bunch of weasel-worded conjecture without any sources and what appears to DKJB fans (whose opinions are just as valid) as just bashing. And while Wikipedia many not revolve around the opinions of one person or a smaller grouop of people's opinions versus a larger one's, it DOES revolve around SOURCES. Particularly that aren't "many people" or "some people" or "nameless Rare fan" and the DKVine Message boards. --- Concerned Wikipedia User

Saying that the other games have as pointless storylines is nothing but your ignorant assumptions. Either that, or you're altering the truth to your favor.

"I would love to know where this "Donkey Kong beachcomber" schtick comes in." Nearly all of the manual storylines, and even in the cinematic intro to DKC2's GBA port, so yes, the games themselves. At least the gun wasn't smacked into that game as a completely unexplainable new part of his personality.

"What credible source other than a message board user named 'DJKBsux' has said this?" Several message board users not named "Donkey Jong Kungle Beat sux". Nothing's stopping you, so why don't you remove it?

"Funny I thought it was there to include CRITICISM, both positive and negative." Yeah yeah, I worded it wrong, so sue me. You have the negative criticism, now add the positive, I know I'm not the right man to do it.

Question for Concerned Wikipedia User...are you that idiot Koopaul?

Heh heh heh, 'weasel words'. How cute. Really, I don't think whether there's a criticism section or not really matters, as virtually every single video game related page is filled to the brim with fan's and other insignificant people's opinion rather than fact. Seriously, NOBODY TAKES THIS PLACE SERIOUSLY ANYMORE. Virtually every single board I've been to has a least several hundred people complaing and moaning about how their information's rejected or such and such article is biased. Though that doesn't mean you can't put up DKJB's great(NO) sales. - Not_Muffin_man


 * Your logic is all over the place, you can not use "nobody cares about this page" as an excuse to smear crap all over it. Obviously YOU care, and so do I. I don't understand why you're even here if you don't like the game. Find something positive to do. This criticism section is equivalent to fans of the original Donkey Kong putting the opposite comments in the DKC page. Donkey Kong changed, then he changed back, and some of you bandwagon hoppers are angry you got knocked off, but you'll need to get over the facts. Rare will never ever make another Donkey Kong game. I'm not saying if that's good or bad, just the fact, which is what this site is for. Opinions of one odd niche fangroup should not be considered, let the game speak for itself and take it for what it is. People can make up their OWN minds about it.


 * Funnily enough, I never actually said I didn't like Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. I actually sort of liked it, for what it was. There's more than one person in this 'debate' you realise, so I guess it's hard for you to keep track of who's who. And that comment that nobody cares was directed at virtually every single video game related page page because, as I said and even you said, most people just post their opinions as fact. Hell, I haven't even edited this page yet, nor do I intend to. If most pages already have either positive or negative fan's opinions 'smeared over them', then an actual section which groups everybody's (and don't tell me it only caters to one specific fan group, as there's nothing stopping any DKJB fan posting sources which praised the game. Criticism doesn't nessacarly have to be negative) opinion to me makes it easier to distingish the Bias from the Facts. - Not_Muffin_man_again

I'd like to question the "friendly ape" status. When has he been friendly? His original form was capturing the princess and trying to kill Jumpman. He actually WAS a bad guy, now in Jungle Beat he's good. How does this mean more aggressive? It makes no sense.


 * All the proof you need that real fans of the DKC SERIES hate JB go to Donkey Kong Universe heaps of members all real fans of the DKC series who hate JB because of the crappy characters, bad storyline and moronic expressions on DK ~xianfeng 10:19pm 25 August 2006

"I'd like to question the "friendly ape" status. When has he been friendly? His original form was capturing the princess and trying to kill Jumpman. He actually WAS a bad guy, now in Jungle Beat he's good. How does this mean more aggressive? It makes no sense."

'' In the Rare DK storyline, the Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong arcade became Cranky Kong in his later years, and DK Jr. later grew into who is now Donkey Kong. Therefore, would this DK have been a hero from the start?''

Current DK was never a villain and DK was a hero way before this peace of Crap game it's called Donkey Kong Country

In that case I find it completely ridiculous that there's an entire section about this game dedicated to Rare fans. Jungle Beat has NOTHING TO DO WITH RARE. This is like a bunch of pineapple fans making a criticism section under bananas complaining that they aren't pineapple enough.


 * The problem is that these folks are editing in the name of Donkey Kong Country fans, not Rare fans, and when this game stars the main character from those games (saying it stars the character from the arcade game is faulty and easily disproven), they sure enough have enough reason for that section.


 * What on earth? Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong. Full stop. The character in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is Donkey Kong. The character in Donkey Kong Arcade is Donkey Kong. The character in Donkey Kong Country is Donkey Kong. That's all there is to it. There's no reason for normal people to accept the DKC series as canon. Rare made up their own little story for DKC that the real Donkey Kong games throw in the rubbish bin.


 * Yeah, that's what Nintendo says. Maybe you don't realise it, but Rare is the one who revived the series. Therefore, that makes thier canon the true one.

And keep in mind, that I too like Jungle Beat. I agree with other fans of the DKC series that his facial expressions are stupid, but I still enjoy the game for it's gameplay. -LL

"What on earth? Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong. Full stop. The character in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is Donkey Kong. The character in Donkey Kong Arcade is Donkey Kong. The character in Donkey Kong Country is Donkey Kong. That's all there is to it. There's no reason for normal people to accept the DKC series as canon. Rare made up their own little story for DKC that the real Donkey Kong games throw in the rubbish bin." Wow, you just don't get anything, do you?


 * First off, don't EVER edit my post.

Second, no thier not the same character. Rare is the one who made it this way, okay? Therefore, the current Donkey Kong IS not the original DK. Just because SSBM or what ever says it does not means it's true (let me remind you that Nintendo doesn't even know shit about the story). Besides, if it wasn't for Rare, you wouldn't have any platform DK games. Now, just except the fucking critisicm and quit removing it like you fanboys do on everyother Nintendo article, okay weasel boy/Koopaul/Jebus/whatever douchebag you are.


 * I didn't edit your post, i'm not a Nintendo "fanboy" at all, I have no idea what you're talking about, but I find your "threatening" tone hilarious, and the fact you've resorted to personal insults after i've destroyed some of this terrible logic. Nintendo owns DK, not Rare. So why is Rares story canon? Nintendo doesn't know jack about what "story"? We're talking about a character. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat in NO WAY is related to DKC. That's what you've been bitching about. Now you're conveniantly saying it's the same DK, despite the different attitude and appearance you also bitched about? Nintendo doesn't give two craps about timeline or story, especially in games like Donkey Kong, so to say this is RARES DK in this game is just made up fan conjecture.


 * Here's the bottom line. There is NOTHING in this game related to Rare, so to criticise it for lacking Rare aspects is absolutely laughable. In fact it should be a compliment, since Rare didn't make this game. I'm done with you weird type of internet fanboys / whatever, i've said all there is to be said, so have a good day while I go and improve my Jungle Beat scores. When an objective person looks at the criticism section they'll just laugh anyway, so you are the losers here. Go and force your niche baseless opinions on someone who cares.


 * If you need proof there are 2 DKs play the best DK game ever Donkey Kong Country not this piece of shit.


 * LOL Is this guy 12 years old? DKC only proves there are "2 DK's" or whatever you want to call it in DKC. Not Jungle Beat. All of Rares story and characters exclusive to DKC have been thrown out the window. DKC is OVER! Btw DKC is a great game, but some people here defending are hilariously topsy turvy. Games are for playing.

Close but no banana I'm 13, the DKJB criticism is where people can find out how people reacted to the game so I believe there should be a positive respnose there as well not just our side of the story.


 * "All of Rares story and characters exclusive to DKC have been thrown out the window." Yeah, explain King of Swing and why Diddy stills pops up in Mario games to me. Pikawil 16:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Explain what they have to do with Jungle Beat.
 * You guys assume that they're no more yet they're still being used. Pikawil 06:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Explain what they have to do with Jungle Beat." Try both being Donkey Kong games. As for the Mario games (and KoS being brought up in the first place), you missed Pikawil's point entirely.

I have to agree completely that the "Criticism" section is nothing but weasel words from angry DKC fans. (And also that the talk page is getting far too indented.) The first criticism is pretty much just that it isn't Donkey Kong Country, or a Rare game. GUESS WHAT? IT'S NOT. That's not a criticism from anyone but ignorant fans on forums until you have evidence to the contrary. I'd also like to know WHO, again, besides ignorant fans on forums, thinks that there was a problem with Donkey Kong's characterisation. On the other hand, we have completely unsourced praise, too. (Shouldn't it be above criticism, by the way?) Maybe link to sites like GameRankings, Metacritic, IGN, etc. that state positive things about the game? Particularly the depth of its score and combo system, which I think is pretty significant. --60.241.198.177 08:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've just come across this page and (as an observer who couldn't really care less about which Donkey Kong is which) I am quite dismayed. Both praise and criticism should be sourced, preferably to significant, mainstream reviews from the big-name websites/magazines; anything else is blatant violation of Wikipedia's NPOV policy. As for this talk page, it seems to be full of very, very childish content, to be frank. For now, I've added Fact to every statement in the Praise/Criticism sections. If it helps, I believe that NGC magazine gave the game a positive review; someone might want to look that up as a starter. Makron1n 23:32, 4 October 2006

Okay, everybody, time to set the record straight:


 * The only thing factual in that entire section is that the producers didn't want to bog the game down with a pointless storyline, much like Rare didn't in their "Get your bananas back," "Get DK back," "Get DK and Diddy back" storylines. Yet DKJB's storyline is maligned for being as pointless as the others.

The thing is that the storylines in the DKC games actually made sense. You were given exposition on what's going on, such as trying to get DK back in DKC2 because the Kremlings are demanding the Banana Hoard in exchange for his safe return. In fact, the later two games expanded on the storylines they had by having Diddy and Dixie trying to destroy the Kremlings' home island in DKC2 and K. Rool managing to seal away the powerful Banana Bird Queen in DKC3. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, in contrast, had no backstory whatsoever. You were never given the reason why Donkey Kong decided to go on a quest to become the "King of Kings". What, was he just sitting at home and just inexplictabily decided to go on an adventure for no reason other than being the King of Kings? Even the instruction manual made no attempt to explain the unexplained. That, and there are no characters, enemies, and locations that people may recognise other than DK himself. In other words, you can't find Diddy Kong anywhere in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, despite being a major DK character. All the villians just show up out of no where with no backstory and no explaination of what they were trying to do (were they planning on taking over the world, destroying the world, or to just generally be a nusience? We'll never know). Add all of this up, and you get the black sheep of the Donkey Kong series. And that's my ten cents on the matter. Keep the change. — NES Boy 22:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a new game. It INTRODUCES new things. Just like DKC did when it came out. Did you bitch about Pauline not being in DKC? WHAT ARE ALL THESE NEW THINGS?! Donkey Kong has always been about GAMEPLAY, Jungle Beat encapsulates the skill based high score challenge of the original, whereas DKC threw that away for a handholding collectathon. If there is one black sheep in the DK series history it's Donkey Kong 64, but all in all the entirety of the Rare spinoff series lacked what makes Donkey Kong as a game so great and memorable. Gameplay. You can daydream about Diddy Kongs backstory all day but it doesn't change the gaming experience.

It's funny, now Donkey Kong Country Returns is out and borrows tons of things from Jungle Beat. The fat lady has sung. All this arguing and both spinoffs live on.

Survey
Well, the criticism page has created a ton of controversy since I created it. Just to let eveyone know, I do not dislike the game, in fact, I love it. Still, I created it because I've noticed that certain fans of the DKC series disliked it, and not just on DKU, but on a few other sites as well. I guess that's not that good of verifiable information, but I'm kind of sick of having to have "the mainstream media" be the only good source. But what ever. I've decided to just create a survey. Say support if you think it should stay, and oppose if you want it gone. Please, try to avoid flaming of any kind. Oh, and to anyone who uses the phrase "weasel-words" or anything related to weasels period, your vote will NOT be counted. The Creator of the Criticism Page 17:43, October 8, 2006 (UTC)
 * Well Lord Loconic, I say keep the section as is. It could probably do with some more varied sources, but otherwise there's nothing wrong with it as far as I can see. Makron1n 00:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually one of the sources could do with changing (in the 'Praise' section though), since it's a YouTube video, and not really a source. (YouTube user comments are not regarded as verifiable sources.) Makron1n 00:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The source wasn't a comment or comments, it was the video itself. Just looking at the game being played is proof. Way more credible than some media slob who woke up at 2pm and is out of ketchup.

Merge from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat bosses
Please merge relevant content, if any, from [ Donkey Kong Jungle Beat bosses] per Articles for deletion/Donkey Kong Jungle Beat bosses. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-07 06:25Z 

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Combos
The Gameplay section states that "Combos can go as high as 30, meaning that 31 beats can be earned from a single banana." In what stage is this possible? Fred151 18:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Moves
When on ice, DK can slide in one direction but face in the opposite direction. If he jumps then, he will perform a combo not in the instruction manual. He will twirl horizontally and unlike in the backflip, will lose little speed. Is it acceptable to include this in the article? Fred151 18:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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GameCube Controller
I'm just asking for my sake, can you still play with just a GameCube controller? I havent heard much of the game and was curious. if you can, we should include that info on the page. Madhatter9max (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Certainly you can use the shoulder buttons on a regular controller instead of the bongo pads. But I'm unsure whether the microphone is mapped to any button on the controller (and the microphone is pretty vital to DKJB).--PaulTaylor (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks. I'm pretty new to GameCube stuffMadhatter9max (talk) 02:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Controls I've Thus Far Learned
IN PLAY

Left thumbstick = movement (move in the direction you want and back to the center constantly to move quickly)

A = jump

Right thumbstick = clap (move left and right depending on what you want to grab)

IN FIGHTS

Left thumbstick = punch

Right thumbstick = back off

Hope this helps.

76.126.15.78 (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

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Wii remake reviews?
Given this game has a wii remake as well, perhaps there should also be a section about it in more detail. Please update this article with a section about the wii remake and include in "Reception" reviews about the wii remake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.171.124 (talk) 09:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

ESRB E10+
I removed the bogus, uncited claim that Donkey Kong Jungle Beat was the first game to receive an E10+ rating by the ESRB. There are multiple games that came out generations prior that received E10+ ratings, according to the ESRB website (just search for E10+ and Super Nintendo). Pitfall, Doom, NHLPA Allstars Hocket, Exosquad, SimCity 2000, Beyond Zero Tolerance, and Separation Anxiety just to name a few. It used to be called "K-A" for Kids to Adult, but the rating's meaning is exactly the same, not that I'd even believe that DKJB was the first game to get E10+ instead of K-A, nor would that even matter. -- GAMEchief (talk) 18:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Why is the game rated E10+
I don't see anything wrong with the game. It's just a music game, nothing wrong with it. Why is it even rated that way? There's nothing wrong. Edward Roussac (talk) 04:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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