Talk:Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty

Catholic?
I doubt that your inference that "therefore he was a Catholic" (to have joined the Confederacy) would meet the standard for A-class? If he had declared himself an Atheist or a Pagan – anything but Church of Ireland –  would he have qualified? Unlikely I know but WP:OR forbids such editorial inferences. Have none of your many source texts covered this explicitly? perhaps equally they all thought it obvious? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Difficult to find better. Where is the limit of OR: if a source says "John Smith had two daughters: Anne, born in 1815, and Berta, born in 1816." I would say you are allowed to write "Anne, the elder", based on that source, even if strictly speaking, this is inferred from the source and the source never says "elder". So in this case. The confederates were all Catholics. They called themselves the Confederate Catholics of Ireland. I do not think there was anything in the statutes or their oath that forbade non-Catholics to join. They had to give themselves an air of tolerance to please the king, who was the head of the Church of Ireland. Johannes Schade (talk) 20:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The Anne/Berta example is not really germane since it is a logical deduction from the information presented, it is a 'closed information domain': this is not. At that time (and no doubt more recently), people were quite relaxed about religious labels according to political, commercial or romantic expedience. I have no real doubt that at the time he joined the Confederacy, he at the very least presented himself as a Catholic. But the problem is that I have inferred it but I am not a reliable source. It would be so much better if you could find an RS that would say so. In the list of details we don't really know about him, it is just one and not even a particularly significant one – but becomes so when the article mentions that his grandfathers were both Protestant: it highlights an anomaly that begs to be picked over. That's what makes it an intriguing DYK candidate, albeit worded carefully to sidestep the OR  problem.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, relevant policy is WP:SYNTH, not OR. "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. " --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 10:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dear John Maynard Friedman. I found a citation that comes much nearer to calling him directly a Catholic: Hickson (1884) says "But, staunch and devout Roman Catholic as he was, he [Donough] refused to sanction the extermination ...". Friendly greetings, Johannes Schade (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is an unambiguous statement and satisfies my concern. Issue resolved. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

EB1911 links
Dear Johannes

I see you've been doing a lot of work on Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty. The article is included in a list mentioned on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Encyclopaedia Britannica as containing indirect links which would benefit from updating into direct EB1911 wikisource links. At a quick glance (there may be more) I can see two relevant references which are using the Internet Archive: How shall we handle these changes? Shall I go ahead when it's quiet, or would you prefer to do them? Best wishes ArbieP (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Atkinson, Charles Francis re Great Rebellion and
 * Round, John Horace re Baronet
 * Dear ArbieP. Thanks for giving me a warning. I am quite often busy on this article but I can cope with possible edit conflicts. Just go ahead with what you believe you must do. You know well that I object and do not believe these are improvements. Freundliche Grüße, Johannes Schade (talk) 18:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Dear Johannes All done. (I hope  found them all) ArbieP (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Gallarus Castle
On 15 September, Clancarty submitted a petition against John FitzGerald of Enismore concerning the possession of Gallaris, which was granted, as the Journals of the House of Lords (1779) states on page 342, left column, in the entry for the 15 September 1662: "Ordered that John FitzGerald of Enismore, Esq., do deliver the Possession of Gallaris ...". This is an isolated statement that needs to be put into context. It seems reasonable to identify Gallaris with Gallarus on the Dingle peninsula, County Kerry, which originally belonged to the Knight of Kerry. I have not been able to find out who John FitzGerald of Enismore was, possibly a cadet branch of the Knights of Kerry. If Gallaris is Gallarus near Dingle, then Enismore might well be Ennismore Townland that appears in the Dysert Parish, List of townlands of County Kerry and is situated in the Barony Iraghticonnor (see List of baronies of Ireland),which is the northernmost of the baronies of Kerry. This Ennismore later belonged to William Hare, created Baron Ennismore (1800) and Earl of Listowel (1822). However, there is also an Ennismore near Cork. The main question is of course: by which right could Clancarty claim Gallarus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johannes Schade (talk • contribs) 14:44, 11 November 2021