Talk:Dorsal nerve of clitoris

Male anatomy
Seems to me putting a male anatomy penis pic not merely on the poage but above the appropriate female image is the kind of thing that make people think wikipedia is sexist. Any ideas why this penis image was given pride of place in the article? SqueakBox (talk) 02:06, 2 August 2014‎ (UTC)


 * SqueakBox, it seems that the image was added because there is no WP:Free image of the dorsal nerve of the clitoris; judging by the image's description, the male anatomy image was added simply to show that the "dorsal nerve of [the] clitoris follows [a] similar path" as the dorsal nerve of the penis. Perhaps CFCF, who provides anatomy images, can help provide one on this matter? Also, the image that you left in the article is also a male anatomy image. Flyer22 (talk) 03:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Best to request an image. The accusations of wikipedia being sexist are very real and IMO this means we should tread carefully so I have removed the other image too. Trying to remove sexism from the encyclopedia would certainly indicate it woukld be a good idea to illustrate this with a female anatomy, IMO. Someone I know on facebook had posted this article in disbelief which drew my attention to it. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 04:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know about posting it to facebook, but the image choices in the article don't have anything to do with sexism on Wikipedia. While I don't think they were good choices to use in the infobox, they might have been the only images of a similar concept. Also this is a tini-tiny nerve on the female, which may explain the scarcity of images.
 * There is also a male bias in illustration, especially those from the beginning of the 20th century - which are public domain and which Wikipedia uses extensively.
 * Don't take this as if I'm not looking for an image, but more as an explanation to why this choice may have occurred. -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 09:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Number of examples from old obstetrics books:


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-- -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 09:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


 * To add on to what CFCF stated above, I've been thinking for some time of merging the Dorsal nerve of clitoris article, and some other very tiny stub articles about the clitoris, with the Clitoris article, since there is not a lot to state about those topics. For example, like CFCF knows, and though there is a lot of material in anatomical literature focusing on the clitoral glans, I merged the Clitoral glans article there because "[t]he glans is covered in more depth there and covering the glans at the main article is more beneficial to that article and to readers [than to have them click on another link for stub material]." I also merged the Frenulum of clitoris article there soon after CFCF tagged it for merging. I might create a section at the Clitoris article that is specifically about clitoral nerve innervation, if I come across a decent amount of material on it that doesn't only concern the clitoral glans, and redirect all of the Wikipedia clitoral nerve articles there to that section.


 * As for the images, the above links currently are not working for me; they say "Page not found." Flyer22 (talk) 09:45, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * CFCF, you can claim all you like these images are not sexist on wikipedia but it doesnt make you right. The current image placements are an improvement but still unacceptable, IMO, we should either replace or remove them. And claiming we must be sexist because the world was 100 yrs ago and hence the free image issue is not acceptable either, we need to be pro-active in these cases. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 14:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * @SqueakBox, that is not the issue. What I'm trying to say is that the images are poor when it comes to illustrating the subject, but they is far better than using no images, as on the Posterior labial nerves article. This does not mean the choice per say is sexist. Sexism would be if there were better images readily available, and we chose to use the male anatomy images anyway.


 * @Flyer22 - I will upload the images shortly so that you can access them, I do not know what may be the issue with the links not working. -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 18:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

There we go:

See the image descriptions for the captions (pretty extensive, might not need everything in the article. -- -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 09:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I saw your message when you posted it (the ping didn't work), but I was busy setting up this sockpuppet investigation, so I didn't respond at that point and decided to respond later. Responding now: How about we use all three images in the gallery? However, since those images don't seem to demonstrate what we mean well at all, it is best that we keep one of the male images in the article. Flyer22 (talk) 01:01, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The nerve is labeled at McKay:3 - 15, 4 - 8 and is visible, it's just so tiny you wouldn't really see it without looking very closely. -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 08:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)