Talk:Double Fantasy/Archive 1

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Might be a good idea to mention Bowie's "Heroes" in this article: John Lennon was quoted as saying that when making Double Fantasy in 1980, his ambition was to "do something as good as Heroes."

Instrument credits
doesn't john play piano on this one

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Record sale
After reading the article, and seeing the sentence about the 'Record Sale,' I went looking online for more info, because I thought I just heard something recently about it. In a February 2008 posting by Barry Summerlin at http://www.luxist.com/2008/02/05/the-world-of-rare-records-lennon-and-mccartneys-first-recordin/, he says that the so-called 'record price' was incorrect. And, he sources the auctioner on this subject. Jimcripps (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Grammy Award
Double Fantasy won the Grammy for Album of the Year in 1981, not 1982. Although it's often listed on the internet as 1982, I've referenced the official Naras Grammy Site for 1981. Also, common sense would tell you that an 18-month old album wouldn't win a grammy. Hotcop2 (talk) 01:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, artists John Lennon and Yoko Ono won the Grammy Award for "Album of the Year" for Double Fantasy at the 24th Annual Grammy Awards held on February 24, 1982. The award covered albums released between October 1, 1980 and September 30, 1981 and is referred to by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences as the "1981 Album of the Year" (see grammy.com). Piriczki (talk) 14:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes the wording was clunky. The clearest way to put it is "1981 Album of the Year" Hotcop2 (talk) 00:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Purported negative reviews
"...three weeks after the album's release, Lennon was murdered and many of the poor reviews were withdrawn from publication." Not sure about this - surely most of the reviews were in weekly magazines or papers which had already disappeared from the news stands by the time of his death? And of course this was a long time before the internet, so there were no websites to remove the articles from either. MFlet1 (talk) 23:28, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

The initial reviews were poor and sales were sluggish. It did gets lots of airplay prior to December 8th. Most of the publicatins (like Rolling Stone) in covering the murder, reassessed the album. Hotcop2 (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree with MFlet1. Granted, everyone would have lavished loads of praise right after his death on the album (and I am aware that not everyone was gushing over Double Fantasy initially), but if you can't locate any sources (beyond just the ONE you have there), you're slanting the article in a biased manner. Besides, the three reviews listed in the article are extremely positive. BGC (talk) 04:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll locate sources in the "older" Lennon books. Hotcop2 (talk) 04:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Added two refs, will try to dig up original reviews and add them as well. Hotcop2 (talk) 04:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 14:41, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Books, books, books
I'm going to add a large amount of sources and information to get this article up to GA.

I'm going to use (main/major ones: completely devoted to, or has a large chapter relating to the album):
 * The Lennon Sessions, Google books preview
 * John Lennon: Living on Borrowed Time
 * John Lennon: Listen to This Book, Google books preview

Of course, there is going to be the odd one- or two-liners/paragraph(s) I can use from several Lennon bios. There are some more main books, however, that I don't have access to:
 * Starting Over: The Making of John Lennon and Yoko Ono's Double Fantasy, Google books link
 * Nobody Told Me: From Basement Band to Jack and the John Lennon Sessions, Google books link

If anyone has a copy of the above books, any additions from them to the article would be greatly appreciated. (Or if I'm missing out any other main ones feel free to point out.) Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 00:58, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I've already used some of these. But, as I previ9ously mentioned, we must be careful with a glut of "new" books that often take poetic license if not total fiction writing to make a point that previous books hadn't before. Hotcop2 (talk) 01:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Choice of Source
Is it really necessary to have the most negative article possible regarding Double Fantasy and John Lennon in general after the first line in the "Critial Reception" section? Clearly the one author of this one article had a strong disdain for Lennon. Several internet articles make note that the album's initial reviews were "mixed" rather than "largely negative" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.28.224.10 (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Granted, the salon.com article is not a particularly strong source as it only cites one negative review from The Real Paper, but the next reference cites another from The Boston Phoenix plus three more from The New York Times, Rolling Stone and The Village Voice that went unpublished. Not mentioned in the article is a review from The Boston Globe titled "Lennon's Lemon." Overall, I think the section accurately describes the initial reaction to the album. Piriczki (talk) 18:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it's fine as is. Hotcop2 (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

The salon article is no longer on the internet, as well as the source for the story about the supposed withheld negative reviews. As far as the source about the NY Times, Rolling Stone and Village Voice reviews being withheld, I don't know how it can be viewed as credible. With regards to the NY Times journalist Stephen Holden, on page 175 of a book called "Stories Done: Writings on the 1960s and its Discontents", he even states "Double Fantasy literally fulfills the dream of 'Imagine' by describing a real utopia." That doesn't sound negative to me. Just some homework on my part but I still stick to my story that this album was never initially reviewed as "largely negative" but rather mixed. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.71.229 (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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