Talk:Douglas Hyde

Discussion
The rumours presented in this article have been refuted academically in Dunleavy & Dunleavy's "Douglas Hyde: A Maker of Modern Ireland" (University of California Press).


 * What rumours? Djegan 07:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

The 'senility' and other rumours, as described in part six of the article. Can the author give some sources re. the rumours? Pretty vile stuff, but smear tactics were pretty common even then. See what they say about Patrick Pearse now! The fact that there's no basis for the stuff doesn't seem to bother anyone.

Comments by James Dillon in 1944 after the sudden collapse of de Valera's government, Myles na Gopaleen limerick, newspaper reports at the time, comments by T.F. O'Higgins hinting that de Valera timed his midnight trip to the Park to get a general election so as to ensure that Hyde was 'out of it'.

btw there is plenty of evidence for Pearse. Just look at his writings. FearÉIREANN 23:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Though untrue, the rumours reached such a level that Myles Na Gopaleen, the famed satirist, wrote an obscene limerick about the President's rumoured condition. How much more explicit do we have to be, for goodness' sake? The fact is that those rumours circulated at the time, and it is perfectly legitimate for us to report that. -- Arwel (talk) 23:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC) (please sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ )

Hang on a sec, I wasn't objecting to the reporting of the rumours, I was just looking for further information! Sorry, that was me who didn't sign my post - messed up that part when I attempted it. Thanks for the sources. As for Pearse's writings, I have seen that disputed by analyists. Will get sources if you like. Wasn't there a psychologist biographer hostile to Pearse who refuted the idea? Ruth Dudley Edwards's allegations were based on Geraldine Plunkett Dillon's account of Thomas MacDonagh being concerned that something Pearse had written could be misinterpreted - something like that. Cill Ros 00:04, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

He may have lived and spent his youth in Frenchpark, but his actual birthplace was Castlerea in Co. Roscommon.

Sources:

http://www.iol.ie/~roslib/local.html

http://www.douglashyde.com/#hyde

http://www.ucd.ie/archives/html/collections/hyde-douglas.html

http://irelandsown.net/language2.html

http://www.ballaghaderreen.com/hyde.htm

http://www.fionasplace.net/AnIrishPatchwork/douglashyde.html

http://www.westernpeople.ie/community/story.asp?j=13931

Is "de Híde" right?
El Gringo has changed Dubhghlas de hÍde to Dubhghlas de Híde. I think it was correct the way it was. The Conradh na Gaeilge site [], for example, gives his name as Dubhghlas de hÍde (under Stair an Chonartha). It's Íde -> de hÍde.

Tá El Gringo tar éis Dubhghlas de hÍde a athrú go Dubhghlas de Híde. Ceapaim gur cheart é mar a bhí sé roimhe sin. Ar an suíomh Chonradh na Gaeilge,[] mar sampla, litrítear é mar Dubhghlas de hÍde (faoi Stair an Chonartha.) Íde -> de hÍde atá i gceist.


 * If their is not reasonable certainty then use after the translation. Djegan 18:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * In all the places I've seen Hyde's name written in Irish, I've never once seen the h capitalised. If I remember correctly, his signature didn't capitalise it either. I've returned it to the form universally used. FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)|undefined 19:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Sombody removing "gossip"
An anon editor thinks that the rumours about Hyde's sexual antics don't belong in the article and has unilaterally removed them. I think they should go back in. Thoughts? Ian Cheese 22:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've put the rumours back in. Ian Cheese 22:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It was probably removed due to being controversial unsourced content. Alázhlis (talk) 05:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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State Funeral
In the section titled 'State Funeral', the phrase 'contemporary religious rules' should read as 'contemporaneous religious rules'. For those who don't know the difference, contemporaneous means 'of the same time', whereas contemporary is a (less ambiguous) synonym for modern. There is an exception when speaking about persons (e.g., Douglas Hyde was a contemporary of Eamonn DeValera). Also, it would be better to say 'the contemporaneous Catholic Church prohibited its members from attending services in Anglican churches', as 'religious rules' sounds like some set of rules that govern all religions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by L'OiseauLibre (talk • contribs) 04:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Request later photo
Is there a photo available from the era of his presidency? The 1912 photo is nice, but he was in office from 1938-1945 and undoubtedly looked quite a bit different by then. Thanks. DavidRF (talk) 18:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Love Songs of Connacht
No mention whatsoever of his Love Songs of Connacht? Eroica (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

academic
I noted this article was very much focused on his political career, but skips over his works in other areas. I removed this part of the text His use of Irish to fill in the 1911 census form, provides a primary source confirming his commitment to this language (Census 1911 - de hÍde). Interestingly, his position, entered on the census form as (Ollamh) or professor at the National University of Ireland, (and its later constituent college University College Dublin), has been (intentionally?) mistranslated by the enumerator as "teacher"

The source found in the article begins "Celtic scholar, translator, poet, cultural nationalist, and president of Ireland", and that "In 1909 he was appointed the first professor of Modern Irish at University College Dublin" until 1932. Expansion of his academic and literary corks would be nice, but the facts do not need proving here - just references. cygnis insignis 09:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Correspondence with George V re stamp collecting
It would have been impossible for Hyde to correspond with George V on stamp collecting as President Hyde as George V died in 1935, 3 years before Hyde became President. Perhaps whoever wrote that meant that Hyde had correponded with George V re stamp collecting prior to becoming President? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.230.188 (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Constitutional position of President
"[T]he new 1937 Constitution made it unclear whether the president or the British monarch was the official head of state" I believe that the Constitution was very clear on this point. Britain and its monarch were not mentioned. TomonaD (talk) 00:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See Irish head of state from 1936 to 1949. Not mentioning something is not "very clear". Article 29.4.1° of the Constitution does mention Britain ("members") and its king ("organ"):
 * For the purpose of the exercise of any executive function of the State in or in connection with its external relations, the Government may to such extent and subject to such conditions, if any, as may be determined by law, avail of or adopt any organ, instrument, or method of procedure used or adopted for the like purpose by the members of any group or league of nations with which the State is or becomes associated for the purpose of international co-operation in matters of common concern.
 * jnestorius(talk) 17:07, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

stamp collecting
How can you say: "President Hyde and King George V corresponded about stamp collecting"? King George V died on January 1936, two and half years before Hyde become president. Itaygur (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Date of image
There is no way that the photo in the infobox (current version) was taken in 1902. Hyde in 1902 was 42 years old; the photo is of a man in his seventies. When it was originally added, the caption read "Douglas Hyde, circa 1917", despite the fact that it had to be at least 20 years later than the previous image, which was correctly dated c. 1912. Some changing back and forth of the image and caption subsequently resulted in the "1902" version. The article says that he was elected auditor of the "Hist" in 1931. I would suggest that is a more likely date for the photo. But the best thing is to remove the date altogether rather than guess. Scolaire (talk) 09:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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