Talk:Douglas Jardine

Tactics
To see the tactics of Jardine in a fair light, it is worth noteing that there are various ways of getting a batsman out on a cricket pitch apart from bowling him out. This was what struck Jardine while watching the reels of Bradman playing. Instead of bowling the Australians out, he figured out a way to catch them out - a very fair and ingenious tactic. The ball was not pitched at the head: it was pitched elbow high, to the chest... the only way to deal with the delivery was either to pop a catch, or to get out of the way. Perfectly fair. - unsigned comment by 61.17.134.172 on 24 April, 2006]

to see it from jardine's point of view, and to use his quote "our bowling was too good to hook", it pretty much sums it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chetta (talk • contribs) 09:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

after the australian series, jardine played in india, and the west indies. in the latter nation he was the target of the same balling that the australians resented; he replied by scoring his first test century —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chetta (talk • contribs) 09:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It may have been fair under the letter of the rules of cricket at the time, but it was outside the spirit of the rules, and outside the rules as they stand today, which were changed precisely to prevent this sort of dangerous tactic happening again. You can apologise for Jardine all you like, but the facts tell the story. -dmmaus 23:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Bowling average in text does not equal bowling average in info-box. 203.122.226.234 14:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This has been rectified in the latest round of edits BartBassist (talk) 10:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The Harlequin cap
Much is made about Jardine wearing the cap, and how Australians disliked it at as sign of superiority. Percy Chapman also habitually wore one and he was a very popular player when he played in Australia, and also won a series 4-1 against an Australian team that included Bradman. Phanto282 13:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

No refs
Esp for some of the out and out statments such as the one concerning the Adelaide Test —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.55.74 (talk) 03:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hatred of all things Australian
"It was whilst batting for Oxford University v the 1921 tourists that many think his hatred of all things Australian developed. The Australian captain Warwick Armstrong refused to allow play to continue past the scheduled end of play time with Jardine 96 not out, and set to make a century against them."

The article is asserting that Jardine hated Australia, her cricket team, her people, her funnel-web spiders, etc, because he never got the chance to make a first class 100 against an Australian XI?. That strike anyone else as being ludicrously petty? I'm glad there's a fact/unverified tag there, because if it's true, then that marks Jardine as a marvellously spiteful little person. Peter1968 (talk) 12:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Jardine was well known for his dislike of Australian players and crowds and was unpopular in Australia, particularly for his manner and especially after the Bodyline tour. On the other hand, many players captained by him regarded him as an excellent captain; not all regarded him as good at managing people" Could be true - who knows, but this paragraph and its assertions are unsubstantiated by reference, and are, therefore, hearsay I'm afraid Captain McVitie (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not referenced as it is in the lead. The "assertions" are referenced in the main body of the article. --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it was Warner who said of him: "When he sees an Australian cap, he seems to go mad." (I don't guarantee the exact wording.) If a citation could be found for that, it would be worth adding (if it's not already there). JH (talk page) 21:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Bodyline and Australia
Surely the claim that the current Australian cricket team is a master of employing bodyline bouncers (without the corresponding fielders) is POV and missing the point. Firstly, Australia can't bowl dangerous head-high balls over after over because there is a restriction on the number of bouncers per over. Secondly, whatever tactics the current team employs, it is a far cry from the intimidating and anti-spirit of the game tactics of bodyline - bodyline was specifically designed to prevent the batsmen scoring and was deemed unfair, hence the rule changes to prevent it happening again. There is a difference between playing hard and playing against the spirit of the game and the Australian team is surely innocent of the latter. I've deleted the offending section because of this.Wikischolar1983 (talk) 11:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

TV series
I have removed some information about who played Jardine in the TV series as I do not feel it is relevant to the article about the man. What do other people think? However, if the information does go back, it needs a reference. --Sarastro1 (talk) 20:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

English or Scottish?
The Scotland national cricket team article claims Jardine was Scottish. He was born in India and had Scottish parents. Is there any reason to call him English other than the fact that he played for England, which wasn't unusual for Scots before they had a proper team of their own? Fricasso (talk) 13:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He was certainly an English cricketer; to call him a Scottish cricketer would be wrong. And Scotland had a first class cricket team which regularly played first-class matches, and played touring teams and county sides in most seasons. As to whether he was Scottish rather than English, I don't think anyone but he could say; he wanted his ashes scattering in Scotland, regularly visited there, but lived in England most of his life. Who knows? But he was not the only Scottish England cricket captain. --Sarastro1 (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it would be wrong to call him a Scottish cricketer if he actually was Scottish. His nationality isn't determined by which team he played for.  Eoin Morgan is still Irish, even if he does play for England, and his article does not refer to him as an English cricketer.  If Jardine was, in matters unrelated to cricket, a Scot, then surely he should be called a Scottish cricketer who played for England.  Calling him an English cricketer would just be misleading.  Fricasso (talk) 14:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, especially if he considered himself to be Scottish (which wanted his ashes scattered there suggests). It might be best to say that he was a Scottish cricketer who played for England. JH (talk page) 20:28, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Body line
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