Talk:Downtown Eastside/Archive 2

Empress Hotel evictions
Hi everyone,

I've removed this from the caption of the photo of the Empress Hotel: "In the fall of 2006, residents were issued eviction notices. The referenced link is dead, but it appears that the hotel is still in operation with lowest rents at $375 to $425 per month.. Here's another article on what became of the hotel after it changed owners in 2006: http://thethunderbird.ca/2008/10/06/pub-owner-creates-safe-haven-for-seniors/ Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Ref needed for Aboriginal population figure
Nearly everything in the article is now referenced. I removed this sentence (hopefully temporarily) as I haven't found a ref for it yet: "Approximately 10% of the city's Aboriginal population lives in the area." Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:19, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Preparing for A-class reviews
Hi everyone,

FYI, I'm doing a final round of cleanup in preparation to nominate this A-class, and hopefully Featured Article status. If there have been changes or comments you've been meaning to make, please go ahead soon. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Removed Events section
Hi everyone, I've added a new section on Culture, and removed the section titled, "Events held in the Downtown Eastside." This kind of section ends up being a directory, which is unsuitable in an encyclopedia article. Here's the content I removed:


 * Downtown Eastside protest sign.jpg
 * A number of events have been happening in DTES in the recent past, beginning with Opera Brevé's series of short opera held at the Four Corners Savings Bank. A grand piano was brought in for each event and full costumes and interactive singers put on shows inside the bank at no cost. In 2003 Vancouver Moving Theatre partnered with the Carnegie Community Centre to put on the Heart of the City Festival, the City of Vancouver's Downtown Eastside Revitalization link which attracted thousands of visitors from outside the area. It was the 100th anniversary of the Carnegie Centre. The festival was made an annual event during the years 2005 to 2008.


 * The Crab Park Festival is an annual, volunteer run, outdoor concert that's been held every 1 July since 1984 at Crab Park at Portside. The festival features Vancouver acts, provides food and beverages for residents of the Downtown Eastside, and creates awareness in keeping Crab Park a greenspace for the people in the neighbourhood.


 * The Japanese Festival, known as the Powell Street Festival, is held each summer in Oppenheimer Park, and at the Japanese Language school nearby. In 2008, the 32nd annual Powell Street Festival was relocated temporarily to Woodland Park, 700 Woodland Drive ( 2 & 3 August 2008). The Jazz Festival also comes to the area in early summer each year, with both renowned and local performers. Gastown is a hotbed of activity and music during this time. Contemporary dancers perform annually at the Dancing on the Edge Festival.


 * Every Labour Day since 2004, a volunteer-run outdoor concert featuring Vancouver bands has been held in Victory Square Park. The Victory Square Block Party raises money for charities in the DTES.


 * City Opera of Vancouver has produced numerous events in the DTES since 2006. All have been free to the residents and general public, and have included recitals, concerts, and lecture-demonstrations. These have been given at numerous DTES venues, including the Carnegie Centre, the Pantages Theatre, Jacob's Well, the Evelyne Saller Centre, Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Classical Chinese Garden, the Interurban Gallery, Building Opportunities with Business, 319 Main, the Strathcona Community Centre, both years of the Fearless Festival at Pigeon Park, and both years of the Homeground Festival at Oppenheimer Park. Several have been videotaped for re-broadcast on Fearless Television over Shaw TV Vancouver.


 * The Women's Memorial March is held annually in the district on Valentine's Day, to call attention to missing and murdered women. The event was initiated by First Nations women in 1992, when the body of Cheryl Anne Joe was found dismembered at the corner of Powell and Salsbury streets. The march has become an annual event to protest the high numbers of women missing and murdered in the community.

Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, Clayoquot, and first of all congratulations on all that you've done to this article! It's in really good shape.
 * I do wonder, however, about the removal of all of this information. Because at present, the article essentially presents the DTES simply as a set of problems, with few redeeming features.
 * Without downplaying the severity of the issues facing the area's residents, I think some further discussion of other aspects of the area might be worth addressing.
 * I think also about the Hope in Shadows project, in which DTES residents portray themselves not so much as victims, but as agents.
 * --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 07:35, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent perspective and suggestions. I'll look into the Hope in Shadows book and project. Thanks Jbmurray! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been busy with some family stuff for the past few weeks. I think I'll be able to do this this week. Clayoquot (talk | contribs)
 * I've started by moving the Culture section and mentioning some notable events in it. I'm planning to eventually retitle the Culture section to something like "Culture and Strengths" and expand it with some concepts from Hope in Shadows. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 22:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Word salad in quotation
Like a hydra, direct enforcement paradoxically crowds the streets with the incarcerated dealers multiplying replacements.

On the other hand, this is a rare, literal use of the word "paradoxical" that I wholly endorse.

Like a hydra, direct enforcement paradoxically crowds the streets with the [supply vacuum due to] incarcerated dealers multiplying replacements.

Perhaps we should fill in the semantic elision. &mdash; MaxEnt 15:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Max. I agree it's something of a word salad. I'm not sure if the issue is fixable. I would read the fill-in you suggested, for instance, as saying that the supply vacuum is what crowds the streets. What about replacing the quote entirely with another sentence from the same source? There's this one: "Arrests are infrequent, and when they occur they are counterproductive, and result in pinch-hitting teams deployed onto the streets to make up for lost productivity." Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 15:57, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Poor image
DTES aerial.jpg

Only the westernmost part of the DTES is visible in this file. It's a great picture of East Van, but the majority of the picture is outside the DTES: Chinatown; Strathcona; False Creek Flats; Mount Pleasant; Grandview-Woodlands et al.

It would be nice to get a photo looking due east from the same location. Geordie.birch (talk) 16:26, 26 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Sure, that would be nice. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 04:37, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Insite
I removed '' By 2015, the 40-block area surrounding the safe injection site had a 35% decline in overdose deaths. '' as there is uncertainty over how much of the decline was due to Insite vs. other factors such as policing practices that pushed overdoses elsewhere. Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 01:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Cleaning up introductory paragraphs?
tldr: tag or no tag? Article well cited, but introduction barely cited at all

Okay, I haven't edited wiki with any consistency in a decade or more, but almost put a citation needed tag on this article because the introduction front loads historical information with near-zero citation.

That said, the rest of the article is very well sourced and cited as far as I can tell. So, instead of just tagging with this is that label, I thought I'd bring it up on the talk page. RevDaddyP (talk) 18:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi RevDaddyP, and welcome back. To answer your question, Wikipedia doesn't currently require citations in the lead, as long as claims are well-cited in the body of the article. See Manual_of_Style/Lead_section for details. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 00:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Neutral point of view
Hi Flipphonefever. I have mixed feelings on this edit. The Heart of City source that you found is good, and it would be good to add more content based on this source. However, your edit also removed a point of view about Hastings and Main that is still a common point of view in the body of reliable sources. The fact that a cited source is old does not by itself justify removal of the content that cites the sources; the solution to old citations is to review the newer literature and make updates. Our Neutral Point of View policy requires us to include all significant points of view on the topic of the article. I would appreciate it if you could make an effort to restore the point of view that you removed - if you do a Google search for "Hastings and Main" lots of new sources come up. Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 20:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)


 * P.S. Unfortunately I'm won't be able to make it to the edit-a-thon today due to work and family commitments. Welcome to all the new editors! Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 21:24, 16 November 2021 (UTC)