Talk:Downtown Manhattan

Regarding all of Manhattan being downtown to outer-borough folks, is there a source for this info? I've lived in Queens & Brooklyn most of my life, and I've never heard anyone say they were going "downtown" if they were going anywhere other than lower Manhattan.~Sylvain 12/9/05

Downtown
Downtown = 14/23 to Canal/Chambers. Broadest definitions. This redirect is bullshit, and is erasing the origin of most 20th century American art/music/etc. I think I've objected before, in fact, but I don't know where that went. Lower Manhattan and Downtown Manhattan are, at best, polar opposites, especially in the most vital period of both. --Tothebarricades 07:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)