Talk:Downtown no Gaki no Tsukai ya Arahende!!

Title translation
I'm not an errand boy is totally wrong, and makes no sense. Editing out. 189.24.144.121 (talk) 01:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, and the new translation is no better. It is an idiomatic phrase from Osaka and popularized by debt collectors. Literally it does mean "I'm not an errand boy" but it is used by debt collectors to mean: "Just because you haven't got what I came here for, doesn't mean I'm leaving empty handed" (as a child sent to the local shop to buy milk will just come home without spending the money if the shop is out of milk). A much more idomatic translation is "I'm not leaving empty handed". The title translation should be adjusted accordingly. An explanation in Japanese ：http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1271321277 M miyama (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

question
For this article, what are some ways we can keep it from being deleted? What does the article need? What is missing? What needs to be taken out? Anyone?

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC) Hajiru

Spoilers?
There are a few things I think would sort of ruin the surprise for new viewers. An example of two would be 1) Matsumoto's record-breaking number of whips in the Hospital special and 2) Matsumoto's surprise ingredients in the Absolutely Tasty series.

I do realize, however, that pages devoted to TV shows and movies are giant spoilers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soursimon (talk • contribs) 17:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Any thoughts?

- 7 March 2010, Soursimon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soursimon (talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Broadcasting TV stations
I've edited the times in this section because they were half-mixed 12-hour and military time, the latter also having the AM/PM timestamps which are redundant. Sparky-sama (talk) 18:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

undone revisions
Masic88, why exactly did you undo all of my revisions? My reasoning: LeeWilson (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * out (アウト) is not out-to.
 * Adjusting unnecessary use of quotes. Is there some kind of doubt that the victors of the preliminary trials were in fact victors? If not, these quotes are unnecessary.
 * "Guys" shouldn't be included the quotes of "Gaki no Tsukai"
 * Again, there is no doubt that these are specials, so the quotes are not necessary
 * Batsu gemu clearly should be batsu game
 * "by" seems to be a better choice than "via" in this sentence
 * He quite clearly says lotions (ローションズ), not yoshons (ヨーションズ)
 * There is no need to differentiate between victah and Victor. As with out-to, it is simply the same word spoken with a Japanese accent. Victor (ビクター)
 * If you can't provide any sort of reasoning for deleting my edits then I will redo them. LeeWilson (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

response to query
well, lee, i was asking the same thing when i saw some of my work altered. when i undid your revisions, i left the note that some of your edits i might agree to, while others i wouldn't.

but i am actually open to change if i think they're justifiable, of course.

also, i am glad you have given explanations for your edits — that's exactly the sort of thing i look for.

and i will provide my own reasoning, as requested, through responding point-by-point to what you've told me:

i'm not fluent in japanese/nihongo by the least, though ... so you should be able to understand why i'd feel doubtful that it's auto instead of out-to.
 * if you know for a fact that That is how it's spelled, then, by all means, let it be auto.

you seem knowledgeful with japanese, so i probably should take your word for it. but, you can you explain why, on the show, (when the announcer calls it), we see the kanji of the cited, next to the word "OUT", yes?

that's how i feel about the trials that Gaki no Tsukai use to determine who gets further punishment, and who gets to heap additional punishment onto the others.
 * you ever hear about boxing? and of how, on some occasions, a fighter might be declared the winner, but certainly doesn't look like one?

jimmy onishi got slapped in the eye by a monkey, in one of those Videos he's becoming famous for; it hurt him, but, it also succeeded in making everyone there but Hamada laugh.

it was a sacrifice (one that They didn't have to air), but it worked.


 * since i don't know of a better way to refer to them, i was actually using that term holistically.

i can see where you're coming from, certainly, but my intention was to give them an unofficial, informal name for us who are native to the united states.

sorta like, "las Dulces Regulares Ladies," for example; the individuals aren't known as that, so you'd quote it, to make that distinction.

and, actually, if i didn't italicize "Gaki no Tsukai," then i need to go back and do so, later.


 * i suppose you're right.

i just didn't know if that is what They officially considered them; if so, then i'll concede.

so, it can either be batsu gemu, since that's how i presume it's pronounced in Japan, or it should be punishment game. if you'd like, i can italicize that, too, so we can be sure i'm using a non-english term.
 * i'm not quite comfortable with mixing up japanese and english like that, here — i feel it should be all of one or the other with this sort of term.


 * you should've seen how the No Laughing-batsu gemu part of this page look before i stepped in.

heck — i had even adjusted some of my own edits, because i wasn't satisfied by my wording.

with that said, i do feel "via" is a better facilitator for the meaning i was trying to convey — by strikes me as being somewhat-overused, anyway.

hopefully you'd agree?


 * i listened and i listened and i listened.. ..and i know i heard jimmy, himself, say a word that sounded like yoshons.

"lotions" would be funnier, i agree, but it's not what he had enunciated; the same goes for "Victor".

the burden of proof goes to you, then: find out if those were the offical words they wanted to onishi-san to use for that skit.

if/when you do, and report it back to me, i'll gladly modify my edit to reflect the fact that he was saying "Victor" and "lotions" with an accent.

since you seem to be comfortable with Japanese, you can probably fire off an e-mail through the web site to them, to ask.

but i definitely cannot and will not ever outright proclaim, by itself, "...where he said lotion/Victor" — those weren't the words that came out of his mouth.

so.. ..that's all for that.

i hope i was able to state my case in a convincing manner, bud. i'm going to be pretty staunch about it, too.

´look forward to hearing back from you.

thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masic88 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * re the quotes on the "victors": I understand your reasoning here. Perhaps it can be mentioned somewhere, since I did not understand it, and others may not either.
 * Having guys within the quotes is not a huge issue with me. I don't really see the point, but I don't really have a huge objection against it either.
 * re via, I'm not passionate about my change here either. If you really think via is a better choice, I'm not going to argue.


 * TV Specials are indeed called specials in Japan.


 * I agree that we should not mix Japanese and English. On this page, "batsu game" is used 23 times, while "batsu gemu" is used only twice. While it is true that batsu is not translated (likely because it is not easily translatable), it seems pointless to keep gemu when it does have a close counterpart in English. Because of this, I feel "batsu game" is a better choice than "batsu gēmu".


 * Finally, the part about pronunciation:
 * auto (アウト) is a full-fledged Japanese word, but is used only in a sense similar to how the English word "out" would be used in baseball. As per Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) Revised Hepburn romanization should be used to transliterate Japanese words in all cases, thus auto (please keep in mind it is not pronounced as English "auto"). However, I feel there is no need to reference the Japanese word at all when the English word "out" suffices.


 * bikutā (ビクター、ヴィクター) is the Japanese pronunciation of the name Victor (you can consult the Japanese Page if you want). When you hear "Victah" you are actually just hearing "Victor" pronounced in a Japanese accent. This is about as close as an average Japanese person can get to saying "Victor". I don't see any need to semi-phonetically represent a Japanese accent.


 * Finally, rōshon (ローション) is another standard Japanese word that can be found in dictionaries. And like Victor, rōshonzu is the closest a typical Japanese person could get to pronouncing "lotions". I don't mean to insult you or anything, but if you don't know Japanese at all, then I do not think you are really qualified to discern what is being said. The key point here is that a Japanese r sound is not the same sound as an English l sound, and does not exist in English. The difference between these two sounds is likely the source of your confusion. Additionally, yōshon(zu) is entirely without meaning in Japanese. Lotion, on the other hand, can carry sexual connotations, making it more likely they would laugh.


 * My point is that indeed you did not hear the "lotions" and "Victor" in perfect English. You heard rōshonzu and bikutā, which is how Japanese people pronounce lotions and Victor. I believe the disparity you are hearing is partly the result of your unfamiliarity with the Japanese sound system, and partly the result of Jimmy's strong accent.


 * Also, you really should not revert someone's edit outright unless it is absolutely necessary, and if you do, you should at least leave a message stating exactly why you did it. Helpful tips regarding edit reverting can be found at Help:Reverting.
 * LeeWilson (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

resolution
that was easy.

i'll take care of "lotions/Victor," and "auto" myself.

(i feel that other people who are even less familiar with japanese-language conventions than i am should know what the proper japanese-Romanization of "out" is; so i will continue referencing it in there.

we don't need other people making mistakes when they don't have to...)

..

did you know someone else came and changed "out-to" to a-u-to?

what do you think about that?

Rex Ganymede 20:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Fakir
I remember watching the Onishi English-reader batsu game on TV. What references do you have to support that he was "acting/feigning" inability to speak English. (If so he did it pretty well).--ZayZayEM (talk) 01:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Or, rather, Jimmy Onishi is famous in Japan for being an idiot. Those videos are the real thing, which is why the cast thinks it's funny. I'll create the Jimmy Onishi article pretty soon. -Egocentrism04 (talk) 02:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

"Absolutely Tasty" Series
I got a question. In the 6th Zettai Oishi (the one with tempura), Hamada's second dish earned an angel, instead of a certain number of stars. I don't know what the circumstances were because the video is not subbed, but I immediately assumed its beyond 10 stars. Should we take that into account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf of Ice (talk • contribs) 00:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the subbed version, and, apparently, they've felt it was so good it deserved a mark higher than 10, hence the angel. Ezhuks (talk) 19:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Gaki No Tsukai 2013 - Enthusiastic Teachers
Hey, are we allowed to post info about the latest batsu game planned for 2012/2013? I think there's already been some official info released on it. Just checking here first though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.188.41 (talk) 18:31, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

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- I been adding stuff according to what I have seen and possibly adding the links later after finding out that the whole section of program description disappeared. I thought I totally messed it up by deleting the section by clicking on "cancel." But apparently there were some clean-up initiative going on. Long story short, I thought I royally screwed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T576318722bb (talk • contribs) 18:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC)