Talk:Dr. Dre/Archive 1

Production Credits
I know this will be a big project but it would be great if a lot of wiki users could put together all the tracks Dre produced on his and other artists albums and put it on his wiki page. Anyone else agree or will this be too big of a project?

Ninja with Attitude
What the???? Can somebody please edit it please

What the fuck is this about anyway? Eminemfanatic

He can't say Nigga so he says Ninja Next Fiday VAISHAAL is A MOFO

so put N*gga like everyone else on this freakin site

--User:Joooeeeelllll 21:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Jail
I found this in an article on ASkmen.com. I think this should be added because it adds more to his biography and life. Also I have always wondered what Eminem meant in the song guilty Conscience by 'you gunna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee barnes'. Also if somebody knew who the fellow record-producer was, and what the conditions of his parole were, that should be added.

In 1991, Dr. Dre was charged with assaulting TV host Dee Barnes, and the following year he hit a police officer at a New Orleans hotel and broke the jaw of a fellow record-producer. In 1995, Dre spent 5 months in a Pasadena City Jail for violating parole. He was back in court in 2001, but this time teaming up with Metallica (particularly Lars Ulrich) in their efforts to bring Napster down.

main article

http://ca.askmen.com/men/entertainment_60/62c_dr_dre.html

Why brother
In one section I see Dre is referred to as Young and Snoop as Broadus, this was an edit from an old version using aliases. Why even bother changing this? They are more famous under aliases.

previous edit put back in
I put back in the version of the article I wrote, which included some edits by others. Escaper 7, why did you get rid of it and put back the older version?

I agree, I think the shit is way too "scholarly newspaper article" for a fucking wikipedia page. Just call them snoop and Dre and use simpler language. The tone of the article seems a bit too subjective and at points seems to be a blowjob for dre

Article vandalism
I recently took out some vandalism from this page. To whoever it was: what sort of a stupid dickless low life fuck, gets enjoyment out of vandalising an article, show some respect to a genius producer and to wikipedia, it provides a damn fine service to millions, except when fucks like you ruin it!!!!!! 15/8/06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Provis (talk • contribs)
 * have some respect for the other users on this site and to the best hip hop producer EVER. gav 19th august 2006

Future Production Credits
Removed Production credits for albums that he is either only rumored to be working on, or not confirmed to working on at all (ie. Paris Hilton's album). 74.118.16.92 06:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Early Career
This article just looks like a commercial for Dr. Dre. Where are the early parts of his career? Where are those pictures from the 70s when he was dressed in tights looking for a music career in any kind of music? The biography starts with the beginning of his rap career. There is nothing about his childhood, his upbringing, or any other information other than his image. This really needs to be remedied. LuYu 16:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Look it up. If you can find any information about his childhood or his upbringing, then add it to the article. I'm betting you can't.

DanShoryu 17:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)DanShoryu

Allmusic.com
Looking for proper spellings, I found the article here was largely copied from Allmusic.com's Stever Erlewine; I've altered it and added a few facts, but it could use some reworking and additions by someone more knowledgable in rap. Catherine 22:11 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

It should say that Death row went bankrupt.....

Removed link
Removed link to Eminem lyrics; it was not related to the article &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.83.208.153 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 13 April 2005 (UTC).

No mention of Arabian Prince and the Sheiks?
Didn't Dre guest on at least Situation Hot? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.121.151.202 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 27 September 2005 (UTC).

Skits
Dr Dre did not create the Hiphop skit. Prince Paul originated it several years earlier on De La Soul's 3 Feet High and rising. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.202.237.60 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC).

Beef with Suge
Can someone shed some light on Dre's beef with Suge? Like what is referenced in Eminem's like toy solder track. Innit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)


 * It's simple. Dre left Death Row Records abruptly without giving Suge nor most people at Death Row any warning.  Death Row is notorious for treating the company like a 'crime family'.  Leaving "the family" on disrespectful terms was unforgivable.  It might sound extreme to the average individual but that is what they believed in as a company.  UDStyle   Stranded On Death Row  01:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There's more than that. Suge was trying to boss Dre around, telling artists that Dre would produce their albums. Originally, 2Pac's "California Love" was going to be one of Dre's own songs but Suge made him put Pac on it. He got fed up with that kind of shit and left. Plus he doesn't even own his own songs that he produced while he was at deathrow. Thats why there will probably never be a complete Dr. Dre greatest hits. Its just as well since he only has 2 albums. 153.18.17.22 20:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Redundant Links
There are way too many links of the same people, and it really detracts from the article.. Dan 04:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * when something has been linked once, the same thing should not be linked again on the same page.

Why "Dr" Dre?
Why/When did Dre start using the prefix Dr? And why does he get to use it if he isn't a medical doctor and if he doesn't have a PhD or does he? 207.235.15.24 00:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)bshengan
 * If you want to know why he's called Dr. Dre, because when he was part of the World Class Wreckin Cru..he actually dressed like a surgeon as a gimmick. And he just kept the name cause it sounded good. DanShoryu 22:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This comes from when he was club dj'g he used to wear a surgeon like mask over his face so he wasn't widely recognised when he walked down the street. gavin 19th august 2006
 * He uses the name Dr becuase is favourite basketball players nickname is "Dr. J" so he uses this as a tribute to him.

The Game
Would it be fair to say that Dr. Dre launched the career of The Game as well? It mentions Snoop Dogg, Eminem, but to keep it up to date, wouldn't game be a worthy addition? Game is Dre's protege, and The Documentary blew up because of him. I wont add it yet, but it might be an idea? 203.214.148.196 09:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * um, yeah. and (along with eminem) 50 cent too. to say eminems career was launched by dre is probably going a bit far, althou he took it to another level.


 * No, Dre did launch Eminems career to a mainstream level just like 50 cent and game so saying that it's going a bit far is a bit drastic don't you think?

Big Daddy Kane & Dr. Dre
The song "Keep Their Heads Ringin'" (1995) by Dr. Dre contains Almsot exactly the same flow as in the song "Ain't No Half Steppin'" by Big Daddy Kane which came out came out in 1988. This is espeically shown in the second verse of "Ain't No Half Steppin'". Could it be Dr. Dre was inspired by this? or copied it, did they know each other? I dont know myself but its something that could be looked into and added.


 * No. That seems like original research. That's not allowed. Besides, I think Big Daddy Kane sampled that shit from something else. 69.111.76.37 07:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * its not original research if someone else has said it. not that its uncommon for people to be 'inspired' by other tracks.


 * Sam Sneed ghostwrote Dre's lyrics on that one. DanShoryu 16:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Singles totally imperfect
Ok. For anyone who participated in reforamtting the singles section : you were smooth like a bull in a china-shop. I understand you don't have time to track down all the singles from the original list (like albums, all charts...) but at least don't delete it. For the people who would like to work on the table to make it a complete one, here's the almost full list from the earlier revision of the page:


 * "Surgery" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1984)
 * "Rapping 100 Speakers" (Daniel Sofer/Unknown DJ/Dr. Dre) (1984)
 * "Juice" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1985)
 * "World Class (Remix)" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1985)
 * "House Calls" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1987)
 * "Turn Out The Lights" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1987)
 * "Illegal" (CIA/Dr. Dre) (1987)
 * "Dopeman/Panic Zone" (N.W.A) (1987)
 * "Express Yourself" (N.W.A) (1988)
 * "We're All In The Same Gang" (West Coast Rap All Stars) (1990)
 * "Deep Cover" (feat. Snoop Doggy Dogg) (1992)
 * "Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang" (1993) #2 US (Platinum), #31 UK (1994 release, and double A-Side with "Let Me Ride" in the UK)
 * "Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody's Celebratin')" (1993) #8 US (Gold)
 * "Let Me Ride" (1993) #34 US
 * "Lil' Ghetto Boy (1993)
 * "Natural Born Killaz" (1994)
 * "Keep Their Heads Ringin'" (1995) #10 US (Gold), #25 UK
 * "California Love" (2Pac feat. Dr. Dre) (1996) (also featuring talk box-filtered lyrics by Roger Troutman) #1 US, #6 UK, #4 AUS
 * "No Diggity" (Blackstreet feat. Dr. Dre) (1996) #1 US; #9 UK, #21 AUS
 * "East Coast/West Coast Killas" (Group Therapy feat. Dr. Dre) (1996)
 * "Puppet Master" (feat. DJ Muggs and B-Real) (1997) #73 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Zoom" (with LL Cool J) (1998) #15 UK
 * "Guilty Conscience" (Eminem feat. Dr. Dre) (1999) #5 UK
 * "Chin Check" (NWA feat. Snoop Dogg) (2000) #71 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Still D.R.E." (feat. Snoop Dogg) (2000) #6 UK
 * "Forgot About Dre" (feat. Eminem) (2000) #25 US; #7 UK
 * "Just Be A Man About It" (Toni Braxton featuring Dr. Dre) (2000) #32 US; #6 UK
 * "The Next Episode" (feat. Snoop Dogg) (2000) #23 US; #3 UK
 * "Fuck You" (feat. Snoop Dogg and Devin the Dude) (2000) #61 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Fast Lane" (feat. Bilal and Jadakiss) (2001) #41 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Put It on Me" (feat. DJ Quik) (2001) #62 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Bad Intentions" (feat. Knoc-Turn'alProduced by Mahogany) (2002) #4 UK
 * "The Wash" (Snoop Dogg feat. Dr. Dre) (2002)
 * "Knoc" (Knoc-Turn'al with Dr. Dre & Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott) (2002) #98 US
 * "Symphony In X Major" (Xzibit feat. Dr. Dre) (2003) #43 AUS
 * "Encore" (Eminem feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent) (2004) #25 US
 * "Here We Go Again" The Game feat. Dr. Dre (2005)

Good luck.  Lajbi  Holla @ me   Who's the boss?  22:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Almost finished. Still missing some verification for "East Coast/West Coast Killas" and "Game Over" (Scarface feat, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and Too Short).  Lajbi  Holla @ me   Who's the boss?  23:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Seperate Sections
In the article, there should be seperate sections for Dr. Dre's "beefs" (Suge Knight & Eazy-E come to mind). Also, there should be a section dedicated to Dr. Dre's proteges and his role in their careers (Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Kurupt?, Daz & The Game come to mind).

I agree about a section for the beefs but i don't think we need a while section for who he's worked with.

Sports Teams
Has anyone got a source for Dre saying he is a Liverpool fan?

It seems fairly likely from what i've read; official site, ..but from my brief research its not a water-tight proof.~BB

Dre is seriously a liverpool fan and so is Eminem and Chad Johnson from the Cincinnati Bengals

Aftermathmusic.com
Doesn't seem to be a legit website for him, more of an unofficial fansite. Why would Dre have an English and German version of his website?Chad Hennings 22:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * official site is http://aftermath-entertainment.com/

Has Dr Dre got a daughter who is bringing out an album soon?
Just heard that dr dre has a daughter who has recorded an album with him. just wondered if anyone could give any information on this. i know hood surgeon is his son and some of his tunes are phatt especially WEST SIDE with david banner it must be genetic that they bring out HOT joints. if it is true look forward to hearing it.- gav 19th august 2006
 * dunno about daughter but his son curtis young a/k/a hood surgeon has released some tracks.

Amendment needs making
"following the death of Tupac Shakur and racketeering charges against Suge Knight. Foreseeing the label's collapse, Young left Death Row to form his own Aftermath Entertainment label."

I would like to point out that Dr.Dre had already left Deathrow Records before 2Pac was shot and later died in hospital. I remember reading an iterview from the source back in 96' 97' that he left because Suge knight was signing people to Deathrow and telling them Dre would be doing thier album. It all boiled over when some one Dre had never met came up to him the studio and said I will be working with you on my album

Dre did not produce the majority of eminems slim shady lp
From Dr Dre wikipedia article.

"The turning point for Aftermath came in 1998, when Dre signed underground Detroit rapper Marshall Mathers, artistically known as Eminem to his label, producing his controversial album The Slim Shady LP in 1999"

To say that he produced eminems first album insinuates that he did all if not the majority.

Dre did not produce the majority of eminems slim shady lp, the bass brothers did. Dr Dre produced "my name is", "guilty conscience", "Role Model". That would be 3 out of 20 tracks (including skits). The rest of the albums production is credited to Jeff Bass, Marky Bass & Marshall Mathers. Even though dr dre was responsible for eminems rise to fame, to say he produced his debut lp is incorrect.

Reference is the cd liner notes, or online @ >

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-slim-shady-lp

Dre produced the 2 biggest singles from that album.153.18.17.22 20:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Though he did not produce every song he would of had the final say on the over all production of the album.

Dr Dre Sandhu?
Where does the "Sandhu" come from? Does anyone know?

Is Dr Dre still involved in the Crips
I was wondering is Dr Dre still involved in the Compton Crips, If he is why the hell is he rapping with "The Game" cos hes Blood!!!


 * It doesn't matter. The Game and Snoop Dogg make songs together. Game is a blood and Snoop is a crip.

Dre was never involved with the Crips. --Ted87 22:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Editting needed
This article needs significant editting for syntax, grammar, and organization

Vandalism
I've noticed some vandalism last week, and although I corrected some of it (I changed Dre's birthyear from 1654 (!) to 1965), I haven't taken out nearly all the mistakes - mainly because I'm just not that well informed about the man). It's a little embarrassing to see Dre linked to Marlowe, and to have that blatant act of farting in the elevator remain there for way too long. Could someone please clean up?

-Could someone please edit the RIAA for The Chronic? It says 10xPlatinum. The album actually went 3 to 4xPlatinum.

Deleted the Marlowe references and other spoof entries, re-sectioned the biography into chronological sections. The entry is looking a lot better now.

Concerning the RIAA rating: On the article to the album Chronic 2001 it is written, that it has gone 6 x Platinum. Can someone confirm and unify the unify this data please?

Dr. Dre needs own discography article
How about moving Dr. Dre's discography to its own article, i think its big enough production, mixing credits included, maybe just leave Chronic, 2001, and Detox on the main page since those are his only solo efforts. -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  05:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh.. I think we should move the discog back to the main article. It's way more annoying and a lot of people are less likely to keep it updated now..

-I disagree...listing every track dre's been involved with thoroughly is a HUGE job and would make this article twice as long...I think its better listing everything he's done as a solo artist and leaving his production to a whole other article...maybe we could find a way to increase the font on the link, so people are more likely to go to it, or move a link to it to the top of the page so people see it right off. -Jeffjrstewart

Dr. Dre's participated in alot of projects, enough that warrants its own page as per many other artists. -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  20:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Dee Barnes
Why did Dre. slap Dee Barnes?


 * Check out the Dee Barnes article, there's your answer...

Haha, thats hilarious that that's the thing she's most famous for

singles

 * "Surgery" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1984)
 * "Rapping 100 Speakers" (Daniel Sofer/Unknown DJ/Dr. Dre) (1984)
 * "Juice" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1985)
 * "World Class (Remix)" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1985)
 * "House Calls" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1987)
 * "Turn Out The Lights" (World Class Wreckin Cru) (1987)
 * "Illegal" (CIA/Dr. Dre) (1987)
 * "Dopeman/Panic Zone" (N.W.A) (1987)
 * "Express Yourself" (N.W.A) (1988)
 * "We're All In The Same Gang" (West Coast Rap All Stars) (1990)
 * "Deep Cover" (feat. Snoop Doggy Dogg) (1992)
 * "Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang" (1993) #2 US (Platinum), #31 UK (1994 release, and double A-Side with "Let Me Ride" in the UK)
 * "Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody's Celebratin')" (1993) #8 US (Gold)
 * "Let Me Ride" (1993) #34 US
 * "Natural Born Killaz" (1994)
 * "Keep Their Heads Ringin'" (1995) #10 US (Gold), #25 UK
 * "California Love" (2Pac feat. Dr. Dre) (1996) (also featuring talk box-filtered lyrics by Roger Troutman) #1 US, #6 UK, #4 AUS
 * "No Diggity" (Blackstreet feat. Dr. Dre) (1996) #1 US; #9 UK, #21 AUS
 * "East Coast/West Coast Killas" (Group Therapy feat. Dr. Dre) (1996)
 * "Puppet Master" (feat. DJ Muggs and B-Real) (1997) #73 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Zoom" (with LL Cool J) (1998) #15 UK
 * "Guilty Conscience" (Eminem feat. Dr. Dre) (1999) #5 UK
 * "Chin Check" (NWA feat. Snoop Dogg) (2000) #71 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Still D.R.E." (feat. Snoop Dogg) (2000) #6 UK
 * "Forgot About Dre" (feat. Eminem) (2000) #25 US; #7 UK
 * "Just Be A Man About It" (Toni Braxton featuring Dr. Dre) (2000) #32 US; #6 UK
 * "The Next Episode" (feat. Snoop Dogg) (2000) #23 US; #3 UK
 * "Fuck You" (feat. Snoop Dogg and Devin the Dude) (2000) #61 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Fast Lane" (feat. Bilal and Jadakiss) (2001) #41 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Put It on Me" (feat. DJ Quik) (2001) #62 Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks
 * "Bad Intentions" (feat. Knoc-Turn'alProduced by Mahogany) (2002) #4 UK
 * "The Wash" (Snoop Dogg feat. Dr. Dre) (2002)
 * "Knoc" (Knoc-Turn'al with Dr. Dre & Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott) (2002) #98 US
 * "Symphony In X Major" (Xzibit feat. Dr. Dre) (2003) #43 AUS
 * "Encore" (Eminem feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent) (2004) #25 US
 * "Here We Go Again" The Game feat. Dr. Dre (2005

-this is great, but please move it to the Dr. Dre discography section! -jeffjrstewart

20060117. article says: "...but feared that the fact he was white would harm his credibility in the overwhelmingly black market of hip hop" (about eminem). this is not correct information. if you do your research you will find out that it's when the white middle class youth starts buying your albums that you sell a lot of records, ask any record company and they will tell you.

-True, but white artists still need to gain respect in the hip-hop community in order to be taken seriously by the white suburban kids. If hip-hop's core audience doesn't respect a white rapper, neither will the white kids.


 * Yo people, what about "Hello"? He was featured in that single too, together with MC Ren. --- Efil4tselaer 23:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Nowadays the white kids are hip-hops core audience.

How could you forget the single "Lil' Ghetto Boy" from The Chronic

Slight grammatical problem
"In addition to work with the World Class Wreckin' Cru" should be "In addition to working with the World Class Wreckin' Cru" :)

change it then

Dre discography
I think we should make more of the link to dubccn, list of all the Dre prdouctions as its accurate and well laid out. Most of the other probucers have a section with all their productions why not dre?

http://www.dubcc.com/forum/index.php?topic=30148.0

Aftermath Years
Needs to be a mention of Encore after Get Rich or Die Trying, and there also needs to be a mention of The Big Bang.
 * I agree, those cds need to be mentioned for an updated feel on the article

NWA and Ruthless records
he didn't start NWA with Ice T, it was Ice Cube. how does that even get mixed up?

Photo
There aint no photo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.148.60 (talk) 11:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

NWA Reunion?!
The NWA article says theres a reunion album coming out. Is there any validity to this?

I doubt it as Eazy-E & DJ Yella have passed away, The D.O.C. although an unofficial member is unable to perform, Ice Cube is not on friendly terms; Dr. Dre & MC Ren are the only members willing to collaborate, but hey anything could happen. Ramos2907 20:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

how are they not on good turns with Cube?
 * LMAO Yella is still alive and Ice Cube and Dr. Dre made up after the NWA break-up (Natural Born Killaz). Ice Cube, Dr. Dre and Snoop then released a song as "NWA" called "Chin Check". MC Ren and Dr. Dre appeared on the Ice Cube song "Hello" (War & Peace Vol. 2 (The Peace Disc)). Dr. Dre was going to produce an album for Ice Cube after 50 Cent's debut, but plans changed when 50 Cents record did well (Dre chose 50 Cent's second album over an album with Ice Cube). Dr. Dre is too money hungry and probably doesnt see enough profit in Ice Cube, which is really a shame. All money, so the saying goes. -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  01:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

D. Loc?
"Not long after Dr.Dre's departure, the fortunes of Death Row took a dramatic turn, following the death of 2Pac and racketeering charges against D Loc. Within the next few months the label's final major star Snoop Doggy Dogg would also leave and D Loc would go to prison."

D. Loc? I assume this is supposed to be Suge. Someone change this

weird...found two d-loc refs and changed them back to Suge Knight -jeffjrstewart

Definition of Producer
The definition of producer in the section "Allegations of Ghost Writers" is a little skewed. It currently states:

In music, the role of producer is often simply given to the person who "creates the beat", be it through the use of a drum machine, keyboards, or even simply choosing samples and looping them.

This is only correct in the field of rap and hip-hop - e.g. Phil Spector, a noted producer, never wrote music for the Beatles. Likewise, Bob Rock didn't create beats for Metallica, but he did produce several albums for them. In other genres, producer carries the second meaning given later in the article:

However, the role of producer has generally been understood to mean controlling recording sessions, guiding performers, and supervising the recording, mixing and mastering processes.

Therefore, I suggest editing the paragraph to read thusly:

''Some of the controversy may stem from a dispute over what the term "producer" means in music. In rap music, the role of producer is often simply given to the person who "creates the beat", be it through the use of a drum machine, keyboards, or even simply choosing samples and looping them. By this definition, allegations that Young was not the "real" producer of some tracks credited to him can have merit. However, the role of producer in other genres has generally been understood to mean controlling recording sessions, guiding performers, and supervising the recording, mixing and mastering processes. In this respect, Dr. Dre can be given the credit as the primary and most important producer, even in the face of these allegations.''

I think this clarifies the article and sheds light on why there is controversy over Dre's credit as producer - it's specific to the genre. 82.3.211.32 09:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I think what Dre does is clear. Other producers make beats. Dre makes hits. Most of the producers he works with are there for a reason. They can make beats or part of a beat but Dre has a knack for taking beats and making a song out of it. You'll notice Mel-Man didn't have much success when he left Aftermath.

Dr. Dre songwriting
Does anyone know if Dre has written any of his own raps?

Huh?Duznt Dre write most of his raps??User:Elif4ziggan
 * No, he usually works with other MC's on lyrics. Read the article it's mentioned somewhere in there. User:Volumesoxxs

didn't answer my question. I know most of Dre's raps are written by others. My question is, are there any examples of ones he has written? and what are they?66.167.78.254 05:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)