Talk:Dragon's Egg/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 17:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Checking against GA criteria

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * This article is very well written, I have one minor quibble. Should the word cheela when first introduced in the lead have quote marks?
 * That appears to have been resolved by now. =P -- Twilight  Helryx  16:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was actually suggesting that they might be a useful addition, but I shall wait until the nominator returns from wikibreak. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I thought it was the other way around. ^^" Anyway, is this something we should let the nom do (assuming he/she agrees), or can anyone add them in?-- Twilight  Helryx  17:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * All online links are live. Reference # 21 doesn't mention the book and I am not sure it is an RS; same for ref #22, which appeasr to be a wiki; ASGF for the print source. References 1, 3 & 4 would be better formatted in the form "Forward, pp. 287-289", etc.  in my opinion as unless the wikilink is clicked it is not immediately clear what the reference is. Wikilinked billion (Two instances - probably the short scale as that is the common US usage), starquakes, rejuvenation, ull (in reference 25)
 * Several points there, I've started sections and . --Philcha (talk) 23:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * OK, just a few minor points mentioned above, which I feel should be addressed. On hold. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, good to go. I am happy to confirm that this article is worthy of GA status, thanks for you hard work. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, Jezhotwells, thanks for:
 * taking on an unusual genre.
 * the quick response once I was in play. --Philcha (talk) 06:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, good to go. I am happy to confirm that this article is worthy of GA status, thanks for you hard work. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, Jezhotwells, thanks for:
 * taking on an unusual genre.
 * the quick response once I was in play. --Philcha (talk) 06:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Terms

 * I'd prefer to avoid any explanation of the "billion" issue - for example I can't remember the book's go into this. Standard in WP is "adopt of the author's dialect", and I'm happy to use (implictly) 10^9 although I'm a Brit. How do recent UK SF authors get round this? --Philcha (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm of Irish origin and am used to the original Brit usage (which I boringly cite on occasion) of 10^12, but I think 10^9 is almost universal now and the author is American so if they actually say billion I guess they mean 10^9 and it would be better to link to that - it is a factor of 10^3 after all. On reading WP on long and short scales I see that the common UK usage is now short scale 10^9 (no-one told me!). User:JezhotwellJezhotwells (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * billion (10^9) in lead - i.e. assume 10^9 in the text, but link to explicit 10^9. No-one told me too (that 10^9 is now common UK usage) - it's now official, I'm an old fart. --Philcha (talk)
 * starquakes, and rejuvenation now have specific links - sorry, I forget to use the DAB tool when nomination. --Philcha (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * is a fake use of ull as the book uses some silly typography for the middle name Lull
 * Ok, that has gone now. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * How about my comment about cheela. It is not neccessarily a big deal, but it did leap out at me. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd drop the quotes rather than go into a MOS analyis - gone. --Philcha (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, not a GA issue IMHO. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)



Reviews

 * Robert L. Forward - Independent obit of Forward, by Clute; incl mini-review of "Egg"
 * The Literary Experience of Hard Science Fiction (Science Fiction Studies #60 = Volume 20, Part 2 = July 1993) (Science Fiction Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2 (Jul., 1993), pp. 176-183         )
 * The Humans Were Flat but the Cheela Were Charming in 'Dragon's Egg'
 * "The Closely Reasoned Technological Story'': The Critical History of Hard Science Fiction (Science Fiction Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2 (Jul., 1993), pp. ??

Awards

 * Locus Awards 1981 - First Novel
 * Seiun_Award

Themes

 * Contact
 * ? Science Introduction (Studies In History and Philosophy of Science Part A; L. Snyder & T.P. Weber; 2007)
 * Hard SF
 * Close encounters?: science and science fiction - scientific rigour in Clement, Forward & Niven (pp. 41-43)
 * Communicating science, Volume 2 - Clement and Forward "deans" of hard SF (pp. 154-155)
 * Time machines: time travel in physics, metaphysics, and science fiction - 67 billion g would have produced 7% relativistic time dilation (p. 542)
 * Speaking of the Fantastic II - paradigm of hard SF, character weak (p. 113-114)
 * The SF Site Featured Review: The Hard SF Renaissance

On "Egg"

 * Forward's own obit said Drake originated the idea of tiny fast-living creatures living on the surface of a neutron star.
 * 'Dragon's Egg': Robert Forward Remembers - Clement's ''Mission of Gravity' ' may have planted the seed

Influenced by "Egg"

 * ? Baxter's Flux (novel)
 * Building New Worlds: Construction and Influences (Stephen             Baxter, 1995) - aware of "Egg"rather than influenced

Biblio

 * Bibliography:  Robert Lull Forward