Talk:Dragon Age: Origins/Archive 2

Gameplay section
needs more specification, really general now. Maybe if the game is open world or not? some more information would be nice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.188.233 (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not open world. That would be mentioned. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 21:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Notable voice acting
Yes, we have the main characters here, but there's a pretty star studded voice acting cast which includes Kate Mulgrew, Tim Russ, Tim Curry, Chris Cox (actor), etc. Kate Mulgrew is Flemeth/Morrigan's "Mother", I could swear I hear Tim Russ in various people in the game, but he is definitely Z...Uh...The Danish Elf Leader responsible for the curse.

They're all actually credited in the credits...just a pain to watch about 2 minutes of other people to get to them.

Annihilatron (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia cares not for spoilers, the game isn't out in all countries yet, and what are you talking about? If you have no information, why post? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 13:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You realize, the game has been released to most of the important markets. I've been playing it since day one. Besides, I'm just bringing information to people's attention, at least until we can get some credible references; its not like I'm throwing crap up on the article. AGF. Annihilatron (talk) 07:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is now, anyway. At the time of your posting it wasn't in the only market I actually care about (i.e. mine). But we knew all of that information anyway. Without knowing who is playing what, there was no point in typing that. Yes, I could search the credits myself and I will if no-one else has done it, but I don't look at the credits until a movie/game is over. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 16:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, who knows, bioware (or the voice actor) might release something eventually. It might be something to keep an eye on. 129.97.174.39 (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 19:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm surprised that Tim Curry hasn't been listed next to Arl Eamon, considering that he's quite a well known actor? Or is it because he normally plays "evil" characters and that could be considered to be a spoiler? 58.161.12.22 (talk) 05:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's because Tim Curry plays Arl Howe. I haven't yet encountered Eamon, but I've heard his voice somewhere (probably YouTube) and I'm pretty sure that's a different actor. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 10:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, whoops, you're right. As "Arl" is, to the best of my knowledge, a made up honorific for the DA world, I keep getting it confused with a first name. My mistake - hence I was confusing Arl Eammon with Arl Howe 58.161.12.22 (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's no trouble. And the ranking system goes (I believe) Bann, Arl, Teyrn, King. Oh, and yes, except for king, those are all fictional. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 13:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

D&D Complaint

 * How can this be said "not based on dungeons and dragons"? Im sorry, but it uses the same logos from D&D Games, and pretty much is Dungeon and Dragon ruleset. It doesnt isnt set in the D&D World, but it is based on D&D Rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmc1184 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * New threads go at the bottom. Secondly, unless you are a reliable source (which I doubt), nothing you say makes any difference to the article. It is your opinion, nothing more. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 18:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A casual glance at the game system reveals that it is nothing like the Dungeons and Dragons ruleset. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.2.55 (talk) 18:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Anti NPOV
This article is -extremely- biased. Cid SilverWing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.166.178.16 (talk) 20:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks for not telling us a thing. Why does the article need to be rewritten entirely, for instance? Secondly, yes, the review section is small right now, but it will get updated eventually. Why don't you help? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 20:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

a role-playing game
Can someone provide a citation that it's a role-playing game, not an action-RPG? I don't want to annoy people with "" on the article or anything. 85.221.142.5 (talk) 02:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How is not stating the subset a problem? Chensiyuan (talk) 03:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It could be misleading, perhaps.--24.240.186.162 (talk) 13:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

false information
"Dragon Age: Origins is a computer game" - wrong, it is also for PS3 and 360. Also: "Dragon Age: Origins is a single player only game" - also wrong, the Xbox 360 version of the game has Xbox Live.--24.240.186.162 (talk) 03:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Though PS3 and 360 are both computers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.20.118 (talk) 06:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What? Since when has Dragon Age got an XBL connection? That's for content downloads! -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Halo exsists on computer, but I don't think many people would call it a computer game, a Video game yes, but to call it a computer game implys it is only on computer which is not the cause. (220.239.26.44 (talk) 07:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
 * I see what's got your knickers in a twist. The opening words, right? Well, they're correct. It links to an article that explains RPGs on computers rather than RPGs on a board and with physical dice. As far as I can see, it's perfectly fine as it is. Because, as I said, the game also has no multiplayer component (which is a good thing. Can you imagine the arguments over who'd get to date Morrigan?). -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 08:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Sword of the Forbidden
I'm an editor at the other DA wiki, and noticed 'the Sword of the Forbidden', which supposedly allows you to kill an archdemon without dying. Can I ask what the source of this information is? No one one who's played the game on the BioWare forums has mentioned it, and I can find no such item in the toolset. -- 75.94.50.58 (talk) 08:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (shrugs) I'll remove it in a second. If even a Wiki (which loves to not source things) doesn't have it, then I'm willing to bet it was vandalism. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Zevran's Bisexuality
I removed the citation needed on the line about Zevran being a romance option for male and female characters. I can't seem to figure out how to add a reference to the article (the format's changed since the last time I've used Wikipedia) but here's a Kotaku article; on top of that there's probably three hundred videos on YouTube with variations of the scene. It's quite well known. http://kotaku.com/5400986/explore-the-tender-side-of-manhood-with-dragon-age mixvio (talk) 11:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My fault. Before the game came out, I added the tags to all the characters as they had no citations. Since then, the game itself is the citation, but I forgot to take them out. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Shale
An anonymous recommendation for the part on Shale—Shale's gender is actually female. I suggest either re-wording the piece to be gender-neutral (as her origins are somewhat of a surprise) or to address her properly. 74.94.84.81 (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (sighs) Thanks. It was female at one point, but someone must have assumed it was vandalism. I've changed it back. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 16:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are we sure that Shale even has a gender? Shale refers to the player at it the whole time, and constantly instults the age/gender/race of the party members the whole game (I should know, I always have Shale in my party as Shale is one funny piece of rock).  I'm 30+ hours in and I never got the impression Shale was anything other than a golem, which is genderless.  Now there were funny bits where Shale mentioned a like of pretty stones and a concern that they made Shale look fat, however I got the general impression that Shale was mocking women more than anything else.  Unless we can pull a cite for this from the developers saying that Shale has a gender this needs removed.  161.150.2.58 (talk) 23:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Origins are a surprise. Could be you simply haven't got there yet. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 23:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You find out through the course of the game that Shale was actually a female Dwarf named Shayle who was turned into a Golem. Golems are sexless but as it was a she before the change, either gender-neutral or female wording should be used in the article. Matthew Cadrin (talk) 23:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Given that Shale is presently sexless and that revealing that she had a gender is somewhat of a spoiler (with no benefit to anyone) and possibly incorrect in her present state, I'd just leave it at Shale is Shale and remove the gender pronouns. 151.213.218.212 (talk) 02:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... a paradox. Is Shale still female because she/it once was? Or is she an it now? As for the spoiler issue, that has zero bearing on the article. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 02:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd argue spoiler is relevant only if providing it does nothing to improve the article proper. Saying Shale is a female adds nothing and possibly detracts from the game, further its conjecture.  At best we'd have to say she was formerly female and while that might be of use if she had her own page, as a brief character description in an article its really not all that critical.  Unless we have a WP:RS that says Shale is presently a her, I'd just leave it as Shale.  151.213.218.212 (talk) 02:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with calling Shale a her provided you have a cite addressing the genderless, asexual rock creature as such. Otherwise 'it' or Shale is more appropriate.  18:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.2.58 (talk)
 * Actually, Shale DOES make a statement after discovering it's previous gender. After discovering Shales background and returning to camp there was a conversation option "So you're a female" or something of the sort. Shale said something along the lines of what it formerly was has no more bearing and that it's a genderless golem now. I'm not sure which options I picked all together but I do remember saying "You're just suddenly more sexy now" So if somebody wants to check my facts and alter the article as so feel free. Just stating that Shale makes it clear, that Shale is genderless. 71.105.2.24 (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For you speaking about not wanting to include spoilers: The article is supposed to reveal information about the plot of the game, the characters, etc.. Of course there would always be spoilers in such an article, and thinking that using pronouns to reflect Shale as a female spoils the game should be irrelevant when writing about the game.
 * As for Shale, the golem is genderless as some of you have mentioned, and so I think it would be appropriate to mention the golem as just Shale. However, I think it would also be appropriate to mention Shayle as a female when writing about her past as a Dwarven female.
 * Also - and I do not know if this would be a citeable source - the Prima game guide for this game includes one of the game developers mentioning Shale as a 'her' when speaking in an interview. Kilkia123 (talk) 23:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Voice of Zevran
It says (in the characters section) Zevran is voiced by Jon Curry. Tim Curry is the one who should be credited though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.114.199 (talk) 21:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Tim Curry plays Arl Howe. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 21:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My Bad, sorry. Please remove this useless posting of mine, since I am not sure how to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.114.199 (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, this should stay here, in case another person sees it. Don't worry though. Everyone makes mistakes. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 22:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Redirect
When someone types "Dragon Age" into the Wikipedia search engine, it should redirect here. This page has gotten far more traffic than the other two topics combined. However, to keep them from people difficult to find, there should be a "for other uses, see Dragon Age" thing. Vrinan (talk) 21:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Working on it. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 21:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Though everything could use a check by someone else... -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 22:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed it so "Dragon Age" now redirects to "Dragon Age: Origins". However, the disambiguation page here still allows easy access to the other two articles connected to Dragon Age. Vrinan (talk) 00:25, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (sighs) This is why I wanted someone else to check it, because I knew I'd get the simplest things wrong... -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 00:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Characters section
Characters section in Synopsis should be removed, instead replaced by a "Setting" section that details game world and major characters or something. Would do it myself, but don't have game. Vrinan (talk) 00:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that there may be a Characters of Dragon Age article soon (hence why it's on the Dragon Age template already, but simply hidden). Once I've finished the game (it'll be a while), I'll set it up, provided it isn't done already. Therefore, until it's up and running, I say leave the characters on this page, so people have a reference to work off of. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 00:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know Loghain can eventually be a party member, but do we really have to tell everyone that? He's a villain for most of the game after all. Also, Ser Gilmore is a rather insignificant character who only appears in the Human Noble origins story, and I don't feel he warrants his own section of things. 71.227.152.86 01:40, 10 December 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.152.86 (talk)
 * See WP:Spoiler. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. Expect things like plot and "spoilers." Sorry if I seem snarky, but I am getting very annoyed with this lately. It keeps dying down briefly, only to suffer a resurgence. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 01:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

This game got 5/10 in Edge Magazine (UK) for the Xbox 360 version
See the latest issue (subscribers got it today). It seems a particularly harsh score given the reviews of other magazines. Perhaps its due to the problem of not being able to queue commands. --81.97.123.218 (talk) 02:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have an online source? Without that or a, we can't use it. Sorry. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds  00:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Voiceactor of Shale
I know we had this discussion before, but I actually completed the game now and watched through the entire credits to verify this... and Barry Ellis did not play Shale, Barry Ellis did additional voices for NPCs in the quest that involves Shale. According to the in-game credits, Shale's voice was done by Geraldine Blecker. Problem is, Bioware decided not to list their voiceactor credits for DLC anywhere I can find online yet. Whilst the current link seems to verify that Barry Ellis played Shale, its imdb and is well known for being incorrect. So if anyone out there knows a source to support Geraldine Blecker, I would be grateful. --Taelus (talk) 11:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We can use the in-game credits as a citation, you know. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 12:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Included a note explaining change in both edit summary, and hidden in the article with those "do not include" tags. Again, hopefully Bioware will update their official website to fully support this, its missing DLC credits currently. --Taelus (talk) 23:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I updated the note to show where the e-mail is visible. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 23:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler Free
I excluded the last paragraph of the Plot section to remove the big spoiler posted on that. Please try to keep it that way. --Agriosbr (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your edits. I have however undone your changes to the plot section here, as Wikipedia is not censored. This means we do not cut content to avoid spoilers. Generally users wishing to avoid spoilers should avoid reading sections such as "Characters" and "Plot", especially on an encyclopedic entry for a title. Hope this helps, --Taelus (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

temporary party members
can anyone put temporary party members on the page, like sorris, jowan and lily? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.187.172 (talk) 21:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless they have a signicant impact on the plot, I'd say no (though I've never personally encountered any of those yet (goddamn it, I need more free time to finish the game...)). Besides, I think I'm going to delete the character section soon anyway. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 21:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * why delete it? it helps me know who my teammates will be throughout the game. mabe instead of a charecters section you could do a party members section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.187.172 (talk) 23:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should have clarified. I mean at some point in the near future, I'm going to split the characters off into their own article, like Mass Effect has. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 23:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)