Talk:Dragon NaturallySpeaking/Archive 1

Allowing applications to be programmatically extended
Huh - I mean I understand that the concept of allowing applications to be programmatically extended was pioneered by Emacs, but given that nearly every significant piece of Windows software supports COM automation is this relevant here? --ScottWeinstein 13:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Compliments
24.149.131.89, I have to say your edits make a much more interesting article to read. THANK YOU! Nastajus 06:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Question
Is the Macro Recorder affected by changes in screen resolution? Nastajus 00:47, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Requested move
Talk:NaturallySpeaking – NaturallySpeaking → Dragon NaturallySpeaking – As per Naming conventions (common names), the full name is in far more use. This move requires no discussion and no voting. The only reason this is listed here is because an dministrator is needed to merge the old history in Dragon NaturallySpeaking to the end of the main article, NaturallySpeaking. Thank you — Nastajus 03:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~ 


 * Support, this is the correct, official, and the most common name. --Sharcho 17:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments

Moved from WP:RM:
 * "This move requires no discussion and no voting." is nonsense; half of the content of Talk:NaturallySpeaking is a fairly comprehensive explanation why the page name would better be without "Dragon". So, presently there's one person telling it should be without "Dragon", and another telling it should be with "Dragon", so either there's a vote or probably it'll stay where it is. --Francis Schonken 06:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I apologize for saying no discussion required. I realize facts are needed instead. Google search for "Dragon NaturallySpeaking" yields 649,000 hits, and NaturallySpeaking -"Dragon NaturallySpeaking" 38,900 hits. At 94% I think this is a fair comparison. I've updated the Talk:NaturallySpeaking page, I've put back my signature. I originally took it out for easier reading, I didn't want my name spread completely over the talk page, I was trying to encourage the community to contribute to the article at the time. Nastajus 03:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

The full title Dragon NaturallySpeaking is long, it should be used formally once at the beginning. After that using NaturallySpeaking consistently through the remainder of the document should be all: professional, accurate, and reasonably short. This would also contribute to keeping sanity. Nastajus 03:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Consistent naming should be used throughout the document. Even if NaturallySpeaking is longer than Dragon, and even if saying it causes our menu to appear. Dragon alone can refer to DragonDictate, Dragon NaturallySpeaking is too long, DNS as in Domain Name System heavily outclasses Dragon NaturallySpeaking in Google searches, etc. Domain trumps Dragon everywhere, it has saturated the Internet and is applicable to a much larger demographic. NaturallySpeaking is the best suited name. Nastajus 03:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Decision
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Ryan Norton T 01:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Versions 8 or 9?
The article makes no mention of v9, even in 2006, but the Nuance website talks about v9 as if it is current, at least in some countries. Does anyone know for sure what is current and where? 138.37.199.206 09:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy
what about NYT David Pogue review on version 9? He agreed with nuance 99% statement; actually considers even more accurate. And also other reviews gave it a very positive appraisement.

I think this "obvious 80-85% accuracy" isn't any longer true, or at least we should consider and cite those reviews in the article.

I urge someone interested and with good english writing capabilities to update this article with more accurate informations. Thanks.

There are some unnecessary references to brand names that can be well removed without hindering the argument. (SL, 2008-01-14) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.102.238.81 (talk) 09:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Citation
"I used Dragon Dictate for speech input for a few years, then switched to Dragon Naturally Speaking in 1999. Dragon Dictate worked pretty well, but Naturally Speaking is wonderful: it recognizes continuous speech with high accuracy (95% or higher). It takes a while to get used to a dictation program like Naturally Speaking, partly because the system trains itself to you and partly because you learn to talk in a way that it can understand. It also takes a while to get comfortable talking to yourself as you work (I felt pretty self-conscious at first). However, I'm now at the point where I can dictate ordinary text such as email and papers faster than I could ever type them (and I was a fast touch typist)." SOURCE: John Ousterhout, http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/wrist.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulscrawl (talk • contribs) 00:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Public figures who are users
The article previously stated in this section, "Note: Looking to fill in popular authors, pop-culture idols, famous people, anybody prominent here. Thanks." That type of discussion doesn't belong within an article, so I'm moving it here. As well, this is an encyclopedia page, not a fan page or free marketing for this production. Prominent users are of interest, as that can assist readers in learning more about a product. But it shouldn't be a compendium of breathy testimonials. As well, all of these claims are unsourced. They need sourcing or a lack-of-sourcing tag. 4.232.195.249 19:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Dns box preferred.gif
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AfD nomination of List of Dragon NaturallySpeaking commands
The article List of Dragon NaturallySpeaking commands has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of Dragon NaturallySpeaking commands. Thank you. Toohool 18:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Common User Profiles
I work for a neurologist who uses NaturallySpeaking extensively, so I know from experience that this section is probably mostly true, however the language used is wishy-washy and there are no citations to back up any of the claims made. Does anyone have a source to prove that NaturallySpeaking is most commonly used in health-care and legal fields? Cgy flames 01:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

History
Try as I might for a month, I don't understand the first paragraph of the History update. I'm requesting that it be rewritten more clearly. It's like the information is not in order or missing. In it's current form, I cannot get these questions out of my head: 1. How can a precursor product be developed in 1990 but after 1982? 2. What precisely was originally created? Was it "NaturallySpeaking"? Nastajus 19:09, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

The reason for the L&H bankruptcy was accounting problems in a newly acquired Korean subsidiary, not that a bubble burst (though these may not have been independent). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.2.151 (talk) 08:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Please help with citation in this article
Will anyone help fix my reference in this article? I searched all the Wikipedia help, but didn't find one that expressly addressed my needs as a new user. I did the best I can but it is wrong. Thanks. Laurel —Preceding comment was added at 21:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for rewrite / move
I think a better approach would be an article describing "commercial speech recognition products", "speech recognition in common use" or something similar. This article is inaccurate and confusing (esp. wrt. different appliances of speech recognition), and also comes across like an advertisement. Note: I work for a company selling solutions based on Philips SpeechMagic. Bjornarl (talk) 10:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep. Obviosously some one at so the developers/publishers HQ saw wikipedia as a marketing tool. Needs a full overhaul. If not, it may be a good idea to tag the article with peacock words.

CraigP (talk) 08:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The "Issues" section should also be fixed in a rewrite:
 * "Nuance should foot the bill for these as the customer was ill informed at the time of purchase." "The users should not have to bear the cost of reporting such failures in the software provided by the developers."

--192.139.21.252 (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for removal of external links
Almost all external links refer to a comercial site selling Dragon NaturallySpeaking. These links should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.163.126.147 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 13 December 2007


 * The ELs have been cleaned up. Also, a request has been made to fix this article's name.  The product's official name is Dragon NaturallySpeaking.  Per naming conventions, that is what the article's name should be. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

From WP:RM
I'm copying this request from Requested moves.

"*NaturallySpeaking → Dragon NaturallySpeaking — Per Wikipedia Naming conventions, the programs full name is the one to be used for the article's primary name. Dragon NaturallySpeaking is the official program name. — AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)"

This was listed as uncontroversial, but it seems clear from the above talk page that the move is not uncontroversial, and that previous discussion has resulted in the current name, NaturallySpeaking. If anyone can demonstrate consensus for a renaming, then I'll be happy to help out with any necessary deletions or history repair.

I would note that our naming conventions generally call for, not the official names of subjects, but rather the names most commonly used in English language sources that are independent of the subject. Please see Naming conventions (common names) for more information. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * A nearly three year old discussion shouldn't really apply, to me, for determining consensus, particularly when the only reason for using NaturallySpeaking seems to be "because its shorter." For my argument for renaming, the program is most commonly called Dragon NaturallySpeaking, not just "NaturallySpeaking". That is the name the article should use. If a google search can be used to show this: 135,000 for "Dragon NaturallySpeaking" versus 61,900 for "NaturallySpeaking" -Dragon (and several of those results have nothing to do with the program, but with consultant firms and other items named "Naturally Speaking"AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
I believe this article should be renamed to from NaturallySpeaking to Dragon NaturallySpeaking as that is the official and proper name of the software. It is written "Dragon NaturallySpeaking" on the box and in most sales advertisements. People may refer to it by the short name of NaturallySpeaking, but that does not mean it is the best name for the article. The Microsoft Office article isn't just called "Office", nor is the Microsoft Word article just called "Word" which are the "common" names for those software packages. I see no reason to use the short name here either. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with moving to Dragon NaturallySpeaking. I should point out that right now Dragon Naturally Speaking 9.5 (an article name we shouldn't end up using because the version number is not a useful part of the title) is currently redirecting to this talk page instead of the article; I'm going to go change the redirect.  r speer  / ɹəəds ɹ  05:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The editor who tried to move it is a new editor, so (hopefully) it was just a careless mistake. However, it shouldn't have been moved yet, as it was controversial before and Admin Action is needed to properly move. The 9.5 one should be deleted, as it is a wholly improper name. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Markov Models
This statement "and utilized hidden Markov models, which is a statistical method for the recognition of speech." leads you to believe that the HMM's purpose is speech recognition which is far from the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.195.6 (talk) 01:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

A chart showing what OS's each version will work on would be most helpful
Simply printing the name and version number is not very complete. It would be helpful to know for instance that Version 9 supports this OS, 9.5 adds support for this OS, 10 adds this one, A chart is an easy and fast way to convey that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.244.158 (talk) 23:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Also a chart indicating which features each version supports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.244.158 (talk) 23:28, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

History / Star Trek: Klingon - Language Lab
The STK Language Lab uses a version of Dragon as well. Not sure which version, but I guess 1.0 or below.--Cyberman TM (talk) 07:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * NaturallySpeaking. I was in charge of developing that Language Lab, and I have a copy at home. I'll check it later, maybe tonight. --Thnidu (talk) 18:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

danger of degrading voice model while editing

 * A user who incautiously attempts to edit by voice while composing may confuse the system into considering the first phrase and the replacement phrase as the same, lowering accuracy.

Unfortunately, this key issue is not addressed in the training, causing untold frustration and abandonment of the program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.95.178 (talk) 01:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing very basic information
Wikipedia article doesn't say what languages it supports. It seems to me it would be a fairly basic thing to include. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.55.152 (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Outstanding issues fixed
I have rewritten the article and removed all instances of advertising or biased writing, and have included more citations. I have also tried to address what might have been considered to be original research. In addition, the "Issues" section was removed for two reasons: (i) it was out-of-date, and (ii) several sub-sections appeared to lack any references or evidence to support their allegations. If someone has a complaint about a product or a company's customer service, Wikipedia isn't the place for it. Spectral Diagram (talk) 00:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do not add complaints to this article. Mephistophelian (talk) 21:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed more advertising Kupiakos (talk) 20:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Inquiry about Dragon personnel
Checkingfax sent me a question via Wikipedia email, to my personal account. Rather than reply there, I'm pasting and replying here.


 * [2013-07-25.0332 UTC]
 * Hello,
 * I used to sell a lot of DNS.


 * Who were the main engineers and developers that you worked with at Dragon back in the late 1990s?
 * Regards,
 * Checkingfax


 * Hi, If you're looking to expand the article on DNS, anything I tell you won't be of use. I see that you're pretty new to WP (less than 2 weeks); see Identifying reliable sources.  Unrelated to your email, I also see that you've signed up as a Recent changes patroller. Thanks for working to improve WP.  If your question is aimed at any other purpose, please refrain from using Wikipedia users as a recruiting resource under the guise of Wikipedia research. --Thnidu (talk) 11:56, 26 July 2013 (UTC)