Talk:Drain (punk band)

Requested move 9 September 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Participants were split on whether the proposed title would be a meaningful improvement in accuracy, or whether it would get too specific to be useful for general-audience readers. A relist was unsuccessful in breaking the deadlock. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Drain (punk band) → Drain (hardcore band) – This page was created under the name Drain (hardcore band) and there was no discussion of a move. The band is overwhelmingly called a hardcore band:. There's obviously a discussion as to whether hardcore is inherently punk, but in the case of a hardcore band with a sound primarily based in metal, this will confuse people. Note how none of the sources I listed even call them a "hardcore punk band", it's always "hardcore band". I can find one source calling them a punk band: which also mentions hardcore as many times as it does punk. Calling them a punk band is WP:UNDUE. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 06:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * I'm opposed to this move — Drain (punk band) should be the listed form. As a punk labeldude and fan, I'm with you that hardcore and punk are distinct sub-genres springing from the same tree, but that is a difference that has currency only to scene participants. To outsiders, the original tree — punk rock — is the term that has meaning and we should tailor our listings to a general audience, not "experts." A band releasing on Epitaph is a punk band — the fact they play "hardcore punk" rather than "pop-punk" or "street punk" or "'77-style punk" or "punkabilly" or "thrash punk" or any other subgenre of punk (and I'm sure there are a dozen) is neither here nor there. We don't need to overly complicate matters or virtue-signal a personal preference for one subgenre over another. Feel free to leave a redirect from Drain (hardcore band) and Drain (hardcore), of course. Carrite (talk) 16:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)