Talk:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud/Archive 2

Add Yuno Miles to parties on Kendrick's side
Yuno Miles (an objectively well-known rap artist) dropped a Drake diss on YouTube here. He should be added to the parties. I would do it myself but I can't due to the article semi-protection. Cartt0nn (talk) 06:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * If you can find notable and reliable third-party sources about Yuno Miles'... contribution, feel free to link them. (P.S. does someone wanna try working on that Wiki article?) Cadenrock1 (talk) 06:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The track has gone relatively viral, and I personally think that virality is enough to be mentioned, but I do not think it has any sources outside of the video itself. I do not believe that this would count as a reliable source, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. GLORIOUSEXISTENCE (talk) 08:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Virality is not enough, we want it to have been picked up by other (reliable) sources stating its impact before mentioning it. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 15:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I also cant edit the page and was about to ask this but looks like Carton has the same idea. So since we need sources are these fine?: and . Someone should put the info about yuno miles because on TikTok and social media, at least, yuno miles is clearly part of the feud Freedun (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Drake. Literal bars. 2600:8803:C307:1800:D870:B4D5:1376:C2E7 (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * fr.  Freedun  (yap!) 19:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

EbonyPrince2K24
No mention of the Ebony Prince, the House of Ebony, The Mark Hotel or Christopher Alvarez? @77.249.116.246 good idea i think this should be added  Freedun  (yippity yap) 07:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources available? Delukiel (talk) 05:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think that account has any relation with the feud. Even if Kendrick did use one of their images, and the account's accusations against Drake do align with Kendrick's, it's still a separate thing from the feud. Plus, it's accusations, and WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE guidelines apply. Spinixster   (trout me!)  06:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * do you think if i made an article about EbonyPrince2K24 it will get approved?  Freedun  (yippity yap) 11:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It depends. If there's WP:SIGCOV for the account, and it doesn't violate WP:NSUSTAINED (which probably can only be decided after the feud has died down), it might be acceptable. Spinixster   (trout me!)  04:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw wp:BLP1e somewhere so that rule probably applieshere  Freedun  (yippity yap) 10:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * so i won't make the page for now  Freedun  (yippity yap) 10:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * alright you know what I'm going to make a page that redirects to this. i think that would make sense  Freedun  (yippity yap) 03:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

U My Everything in "Songs Involved"
Why is Sexyy Red and Drake's "U My Everything" in the songs involved in the feud box? I don't think it should be in that section because there's no lines dissing Kendrick whatsoever, other than him rapping over the BBL Drizzy beat. If anything, it should be in "Related songs".

Edit: I only bring this up because I feel that the song involved box should be the songs between Kendrick and Drake. Sandwichcipher (talk) 22:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I second this. It is obviously connected to the ongoing feud because of the brief "BBL Drizzy" instrumental, but nothing more than that. (Also I agree this song should stay in the "Related songs" section.) Ragnarulv (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * it.. kinda makes sense. drake references the beef.  Freedun  (yippity yap) 03:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I feel like the songs involved section should be more towards the songs where it's more directed towards each other. He didn't really direct Kendrick at all on "U My Everything", and if anything, him being on the BBL Drizzy was more a shot towards Metro instead. Sandwichcipher (talk) 03:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean i see its already moved so lets just keep it that way  Freedun  (yippity yap) 06:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Add or not to add?
Yo y all. Made Wah Gwan Delilah. Should this be added to Related songs  Freedun  (yippity yap) 01:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * It doesn't seem related to the feud, so no. Spinixster   (trout me!)  07:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Kendrick's "support" of R. Kelly
Kendrick wanted to remove his catalogue not in Kelly's defense, but because Spotify was unfairly targeting black artists. Can someone change this? Kamo0606 (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * To clarify more, Kendrick was arguing about why only black artists that ended up being creeps were given so much attention enough for them to be removed on Spotify, while Spotify keeps the likes of David Bowie, Marilyn Manson, Marvin Gaye, Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler, etc. etc. so many equally creepy rock and country artists that remain. Echonioni (talk) 09:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if there are more comments regarding this situation. This article regarding Kendrick's defense of R. Kelly and XXXTentacion states that they received a comment from Anthony "Top Dawg" Tiffith, not Kendrick himself.
 * https://pitchfork.com/news/kendrick-label-head-confirms-he-threatened-to-pull-music-from-spotify/
 * https://www.billboard.com/pro/top-dawg-warned-spotify-ceo-kendrick-lamar-others-pull-music-hate-conduct-policy/ Latter-operation-820 (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please fix this. Lamar did not threaten Spotify, Tiffith did. Saying that Lamar threatened Spotify is factually incorrect. 2603:8000:7F0:B1D0:B5DA:7F6:FA13:3EA1 (talk) 04:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * in Special:Diff/1227356825. I clarified that Lamar threatened to remove his catalogue because he opposed Spotify's announced removals of Kelly's and XXXTentacion's music from their official playlists. I've also removed the Rap-Up article because the relevant part of the article is a cursory summary of claims attributed to linked X/Twitter posts, which cannot be used for claims about living persons per WP:BLPSPS; Wikipedia cannot claim that Lamar supported Kelly or XXXTentacion because a social media user said so.Finally, I removed two sentences of additional information about Kelly and XXXTentacion in Special:Diff/1227357109 as undue weight, because the extra coverage was disproportionate compared to the description of Chris Brown's and Tory Lanez's domestic violence incidents in the same paragraph, which was limited to the phrase "both of whom had been arrested for domestic violence". —  Newslinger  talk   07:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you! Kamo0606 (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Kendrick did not do or say anything. It was his label that did. Saying that Kendrick was responsible here is factually incorrect. 2603:8000:7F0:B1D0:E141:1994:CDC9:313B (talk) 17:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Few more celebrities in support of Kendrick / Weight / Hypocrisy section
I don't know of any reliable news source who has covered this but the following artists have supported Kendrick:


 * DJ Mustard (this one is obvious)
 * YG (commented support on the former's IG post)
 * Pusha T (liked tweets about Kendrick winning)
 * Joe Budden (thinks he won, at least)

And obviously in support of Drake:


 * Akademiks
 * Ish
 * Mal

Weight

''Onto the second thing I wanted to bring up is the weight given to the sentiment that this beef has gotten out of hand or that it reflects poorly on hip hop. My impression is that this is actually a pretty minority view, particularly in the "Verdict" section. Questlove has been mocked pretty extensively for his opinion, and given the section already says most commentators view Kendrick as the winner, I think that deserves more expansion. I don't think this means it's not worth including: on the contrary, I think it is, since Questlove is one of the greats and forefathers of the genre, but his opinion is given roughly the same weight and space as the rest of the verdict section.'' (Edit: this has been addressed and I think the current Verdict section is satisfactory.)

I also think we should include some views from people who think Drake won for the sake of balance.

Hypocrisy

I don't think either of the sources for that section are up to snuff (the Analysis section). 135 and 136 are just articles rehashing social media posts, the bottom of the barrel of journalism, and I don't think they are sufficient to justify the sentence they're attached to. Both articles just compile tweets to advocate their point of view. This WaPo opinion doesn't exactly reflect the same idea in the sentence but I view it as a better source.

I also want to note that personally I think that takes like the WaPo article and The Ringer's will almost assuredly be forgotten with time and won't age very well, and I don't think they reflect a great understanding of hip hop's ethos. This perspective may be completely useless to this article, but maybe someone more intelligent than me can turn that into something workable. Delukiel (talk) 08:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't think the current verdict section is satisfactory. It still centers minority opinions and gives them undue weight. Namely, the idea that this reflected poorly on both artists and the implication that there is some level of symmetry to their shortcomings. This is purely bothsidesism/false balance. The majority of people believe Kendrick overwhelmingly won and humiliated Drake. Kendrick's credibility and character is either improved or unharmed, while the opposite is true for Drake. This is unequivocally a victory for Kendrick and a loss for Drake in terms of their career and reputation. Kendrick becoming feared and Drake becoming a laughing stock should be mentioned somewhere. The people who believe this was a mudslinging contest are also widely seen as out of touch. 2603:8000:7F0:B1D0:E141:1994:CDC9:313B (talk) 17:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I do agree that the majority opinion is that Kendrick won overwhelmingly, and that it's a minority opinion that this reflects poorly on hip hop, however at the time of writing this observation was tempered by the opposing views.
 * If/when the section is expanded I think more is warranted, but for now, I think it's fine as is. Delukiel (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Pharrell's song
Someone has put Pharrell's song in the History section, right after The Pop Out. I thought that section was supposed to be only related to Drake and Kendrick Lamar's feud, Pharrell has nothing to do with it. Should it be included? Spinixster  (trout me!)  08:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it doesn't make sense to elaborate on Pharrell's song there (it's less connected to the feud than a few of the other related songs which only get listed in the table). That subsection should, for now, only be about the Juneteenth concert. Felida97 (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll be removing the parts about Pharrell's song for now. Spinixster   (trout me!)  04:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)