Talk:Drama/Archive 1

Educational side
Anyone care to add to the educational side of drama, I would appreciate few nice quotes, and poosibly a good restructure --Arlechinio 01:19, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Needs cleanup
This article needs major cleanup. For example:

"Drama workshops have many different styles and approaches much like any group activity, this style and approach is determined by the group's willingness to participate, the frame and distance that they are from the drama is usually the holding form for the session, in the example shown through teacher in role we see the group are "framed" as social workers and because of their role in the drama they are at a very close distance, if the group were older at age 14-17 say then they would be less likely to enter into the drama and a more suitable frame would have to be chosen."

Copyvio
The anon's big contribution looks suspiciously like a copyvio... L UDRAMAN | T 18:33, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

help wanted
I have a lot of knowledge in the kind of drama I have wrote about, I just lack a holding form, Proper headings etc. My expertees is mainly to do with Drama as a form of education/enlightenment. I know that it also encompasses theatre, literature/prose and actual Drama(heightened emotions). I just haven't the knowledge of wiki to make a readable entry. --Arlechinio 00:20, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

the problem with the term?


There is a section called "the problem with the term" but it does not actually point out any problems. As a matter of style, it would probably be better not to correct this in favor of a problem, but toward saying something positive like "here is how to disambiguate" or something like that. Also, Theater Drama with an Audience is a widely recognizied thing that deserves its own article as part of the Theater project above. While, Drama in other settings such as Therapy or educations belongs in at least one separate interesting article.

Other Meanings/Disambiguiation
I don't notice any mention of the term as used to define the genre of drama, as when it is distinguished from comedy, thriller, horror, science fiction, etc., nor any mention of a disambiguiation link or page. Any thoughts? Nightscream 9.10.05. 10:12am EST

Drama on the Internets!1
I'm taking out a misplaced criticism of the section on internet usage, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't take the whole thing out. It at least deserves a rewriting, and the advice doesn't really seem to belong in an encyclopedia. I'm hesitant to ever make any big changes though, so I'll leave it to you people's descretion. - Kyle543 06:16, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

-- Update: After a closer inspection, I took the whole thing out. Along with more spelling errors then could make it worth the effort redeeming, it looks like a temper tantrum made out of bitterness and frustration. lol irony Kyle543 06:25, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Merge into theatre?
This article is essentially a weak version of theatre. I think it should be merged into that article, perhaps with a short article remaining about the difference between drama and theatre. Anyone agree? The Singing Badger 12:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. theatre and drama are two completely separate subjects if you explore their means and definitions. Drama can specifically refer to a genre, a story, art, an emotional quality, and commonly used to describe theatre class. Theatre on the other hand refers directly to a form of live entertainment that incorporates many types of artistic elements. Theatre can refer to simply a building, profession, live entertainment, group of people, place of action, and/or an audience. In end, this article should be cleaned up as it does not truly describe theatre or drama in a notable way.

Proposed move
See Talk:Drama (disambiguation) for discussion of proposed move back to Drama. --Russ Blau (talk) 11:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * As it is defined, drama is really only the literary side of theatre. The plays and dramatic works themselves as opposed to theatre which incoprates the production as a whole. Therefore, there does need to be a delineation between drama and theatre. I agree, however that the art form should be moved back to Drama and a disambig page created. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 21:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point, although it's beyond my expertise. "Drama" as a literary genre, as opposed to a performing art, isn't really covered. --Russ Blau (talk) 21:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The merge tage has been on the pages for quite a while and hasn't sparked much discussion. Does anyone have a problem if I remove it? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Unless someone writes an article that distinguishes Drama from Theatre, I would vote to merge them. If there are two separate articles, they should start off by saying that the other topic is covered in the other place.  --Ssilvers 01:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The term Theatre means different things to different people. In my opinion, drama covers all forms of creative endeavour involving character, role, performance, story, motivation, conflict etc, though not all are required at any one time. Theatre is conventionally used to describe the milieu of live performance. I would propose that for practical purposes, Theatre is expanded to include references to the multiplicity of theatre forms which arguably can have their own entries. The Drama entry can then be a more esoteric description that I have (badly) attempted at the start of this paragraph.--Rob.lines 14:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Rob Lines

Not the same term
Drama and dramatization isn't the same. Guest, I'm not registered lawl.

I wouldn't list theatre and drama as interchangeable. Theatre is often concsidered a more formal construct than drama, usually using stagecraft elements and traditional structures, (even if its to reject them I suppose). Drama, even as a form of guided/onstructed play is not theatre, if only becuase its not intended for an audience, and at the least becuase its 'process drama' (i.e drama worked for the experience of the process). 'Theatre' is not used as a teaching method or in personal development, but 'drama' is. That alone should qualify it for a separate page. Practitioners such as Dorothy Heathcote, Richard Courtney, Gavin Bolton, Brian Way and Peter Slade have been influential enough in their drama education methods to warrant a drama page. --Arcrawfo 12:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

More obscure styles
I agree that Theatre and Drama have a very large cross over in some areas but this predominantly applies to very "traditional" western theatre. When you get into things like physical theatre, site specific theatre, and generally anything based predominantly on images rather than words then I think the crossover becomes much less.

When you go into the definition of theatre that Peter Brook opens the empty space with suddenly it becomes very difficult indeed to merge the two.

I've just been deciding on university places to do a theatre related course and I quickly discovered that courses named "Drama" and courses named "Theatre Arts" would be along completely different lines; Theatre Arts would be going down the slightly experiemental route, drama would be more classical acting and Dramatic Theatre. The list goes on when it comes to Unis (like Performing Arts=Interdisciplinary). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebbi (talk • contribs) 00:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Drama
Should we perhaps add a note (or a new page) about drama as in high school drama between friends/enemies/whatever? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 02:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"Drama as slang" section
I'm going to edit the "Drama as slang" section.

It's currently in this form:

''From UrbanDictionary.com (edited): Unnecessary emotional turmoil that is created through social events or gossip. The most common causes of 'drama' are love, sex, and relationships.

"That new girl I like is causing me so much drama that it's hardly even worth the effort."

"Life is full of drama, and it is all in how we choose to deal with it."

"With so much drama in the LBC it's kinda hard being Snoop D-O-double-G."''

While this is a decent definition (though the last example isn't particularly good for Wikipedia, I don't think), UrbanDictionary is a horrible source for definitions. Most of the entries are joke entries. Just because it has Wiki-esque features (such as allowing a person to add their own definition for a term), or has "Dictionary" in the name, does not make it a decent source for information.

So I shall be severely editing this section, keeping the basic explanation, but deleting other stuff. I'm also going to edit the page to include the fact that "drama" is also a genre. Runa27 22:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Headline text
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Cleanup needed
Can someone fix this:

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Such a big subject...
For such a big subject how could you not have it as tidy and cleaned up with a lot more detail. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joeydq (talk • contribs) 19:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Semi-protection added.
Lately, there has been a string of people adding nonsense to various parts of the article, and they're all unregistered. Therefore, I've taken the decision to protect it. --DodgerOfZion 23:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Intro definition
The first sentence used to read:
 * Drama (Classical Greek δράμα) is a literary form involving parts written for actors to perform.

While I'm sensitive to the discussions that have been ongoing here, this is far too full of ideological baggage to serve the purpose, I believe. There is a difference between drama and theatre, but it's 'literary form' isn't it. I'm replacing it with a sentence taken from Elam's The Semiotics of Theatre and Drama (1980), which has stayed the test of time sufficiently (25 years now and still used in every theatre department I've been in, in Britain and the US) to warrant a quotation. I realise that the drama-in-education strand needs to be more clearly delineated, but I'll come back to the article at a later date. Til then, DionysosProteus 17:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the assertion "and, increasingly, web chat" from the list of media in which drama is performed in the intro section. Not because I think it's not true, just because I don't have a source that says so, and I'm keen to get that irritating banner complaining about sources off of here. If anyone has a source, please feel free to reinstate it with a citation. Thanks, DionysosProteus 19:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "Closet dramas" are works written in the same form as plays (with dialogue, scenes, and "stage directions") but that intended to be read rather than staged; examples include the plays of Seneca, Manfred by Byron, and Prometheus Unbound by Percy Bysshe Shelley. Other dramatic literature may not resemble plays at all, such as the Imaginary Conversations of Walter Savage Landor.

I've removed this above as it stands, and replaced it with a toned down version that I can justify with the sources I have available. My Cambridge Guide doesn't have an entry on 'closet drama' though I'm familiar with the term, and has no entry on Shelly or Landor. If you can cite it, feel free to return it to the note. DionysosProteus 20:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Drama in Education
The GTest
 * 64 English pages for "die drama in education" OR "drama in education die " -Wikipedia

suggests that most Web uses of the phrase "drama in education" are not references to Drama in Education, AKA DIE or DiE, but rather descriptions of activities outside the scope of the section Drama. It's thus not clear that Drama in Education is a notable topic, raising doubt that the section should be retained. (And if we cease covering the topic, the "Drama in Education" sense of DIE should be removed from the Dab page Die.) --Jerzy•t 05:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Is Theatre Truly Dead?
The Today &sect; probably needs to go. 74.78.162.229 (talk) 00:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Shitty
Wow, what crap. Do we really not mention by name the great figures of Greek drama, and skip over Roman drama entirely? Lame. john k (talk) 06:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

drama isa prcticale word which means to do or perform on aliterary work that performe on tha stage of the theatre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.36.157.137 (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)