Talk:Drapht

Notability
In accordance with WP:Notability (music) Drapht satisfies the notability criteria, in that:
 * 1) He has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble
 * 2) He has been on several national tours of Australia
 * 3) He has released two or more albums on a notable indie label (Obese Records).
 * 4) He is a prominent representative of a notable style in Perth
 * 5) He has been nominated for a major music award (Western Australian Music Awards 2007).
 * 6) He has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio network (Triple J and rage).
 * Dan arndt 02:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding your list:
 * Not shown in the article (none of the meager references given are "non-trivial published works...")
 * The tour needs to be "reported in reliable sources"
 * The indie label needs "a roster of performers, many of which are notable" — while there are articles on a number of Obese artists, the only one that claims any kind of sales success is Hilltop Hoodz; many of the articles, like Drapht, are of dubious notability (see my comment below).
 * The criterion is "the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city"
 * A regional award is not on par with the awards listed in criterion #7 (examples listed are all national awards).
 * The article doesn't claim rotation, the article claims airplay (not the same thing) and there's no reference backing even that claim up.
 * In short, it appears on the surface that someone looking to promote Obese record artists (either a fan or perhaps someone from the label) has put quite a few articles up with claims of notability (some just barely) with no verifiable references from reliable sources. The whole issue of notabilty for the label and artists becomes circular: "Of course the label's notable—look how many artists have articles. Yes, the artists are notable—their albums are on a notable indie." Precious Roy 09:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't insinuate anything about me unless you know me Precious Roy - I am not going around promoting Obese record artists if you check my contributions - what I am trying to do is expand articles (generally australian music articles) accross the board, instead of going around deleting articles. Dan arndt (talk) 08:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Obese label
editing this opening sentence to remove the reference to the label. "Drapht (born Paul Reid) is an Australian hip hop singer from Perth, Western Australia. Drapht is a member of the Syllaboliks crew, which comprises fellow Australian hip hop artists from Perth and is currently signed to the Obese Records record label.[1]" (1) because "currently signed to.." sounds dated & I think it should have a date. and (2) because drapht left obese in 2010 according to (& linked to The Vine article) the last paragraph, so I think this sentence was probably written a while ago (when he was still on the label) Kathodonnell (talk) 13:28, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

lots of quotes by the subject?
I'm not sure if the article is meant to have so many quotes by the subject? it appears to be the majority of the article.. I'll try find more references Kathodonnell (talk) 13:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

cleaning up External Links
this was the list of External Links:
 * on Myspace (left this one)
 * Drapht at Obese Records website (might put this back, seems promotional, though it has older album info)
 * Australia Music Online interview - August 8, 2005 (broken 22/03/2011)
 * ABC Radio interview 2006 (broken 22/03/2011)
 * Pale Rider interview July 26, 2007 (added as inline reference)
 * Breezy Music News - Brothers Grimm Review 2008 (broken 22/03/2011)

most are either broken or, if suitable, should be included as inline references. Kathodonnell (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Good work
Have to put my hand up and say I am the main culprit for putting too many quotes as opposed to keeping the article encyclopedic in nature, was one of my first substantial attempts at editing. Unfortunately over time weblinks which were valid at the timing of writing often disappear or are renamed - happy to see someone else taking an interest. Dan arndt (talk) 07:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * no problems. that explains it. I'm trying for academic type links or archived/library where possible, but I'm sure I'll run out soon as there was (is?) only a few academics writing about these bands/artists. I asked Dominic on his talk page about what are good to use & he pointed me to wp:music (I'm new here so just finding new things). I think a few of them sound a bit promotional & only have promo/PR links so might be at risk of getting deleted, so trying to find references for them. I figure people can read the info/enclclopedic entry here & google them for the contact/promo links so they don't need to be here. thanks for cleaning up after me too! Kathodonnell (talk) 10:06, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * In an effort to rectify past wrongs, I am working on getting his article into better shape, thanks to Kathodonnell's comments & recent edits. Hopefully it can be knocked into at least 'B' status. Dan arndt (talk) 09:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * cool! I don't think you did things wrong in the past. it'd be great to have more of the Aus music articles rated higher. I think with this one a few less quotes from the artist might help with the rating process (at a guess), that's all. :) I'll help out. I went to the conservatorium of music (syd) over the weekend & copied some articles. will check if any have info about this artist. also on my user page I've been making a list of places to find sources (eg some academic studies + others) if they're useful. just need more time now :) Kathodonnell (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

school days & introduction to hip hop
Drapht attended Perth Modern School in Subiaco but was not involved in the school's music program. At school he became friends with Damien Allia (aka DJ Armee) "I went to school with Armee and he exposed me to hip-hop. He would play at the Hyde Park Hotel  and I would try and sneak in because I was underage."

- Drapht

tidying up this paragraph to remove the quote Kathodonnell (talk) 03:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

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Paul Gary James Ridge vs Paul Reid
There is currently a dispute going on about whether this guy's named Paul Gary James Ridge or Paul Reid. Some sources are supporting the former but as noted in WP:AIV some others (e.g []) support the latter. I don't know anything about the situation to judge; also, calling and  here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi- as discussed, I am Paul Reid (Drapht) and formally known as Paul Gary James Ridge. I would like alter all the information I have tried to this evening if possible please? You can find my direct email at www.drapht.com to clarify everything I am saying. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulypolter (talk • contribs) 15:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, how do I gain authority to change my own Wikipedia page? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulypolter (talk • contribs) 15:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have proposed a compromise in the article, which recognises your original name and your current name. You cannot however expunge historical facts as this is an Encyclopaedia not a personal web page. I hope you understand. Dan arndt (talk) 03:24, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

All good. I have seen the changes and I appreciate that. Thanks, Paul.

Can I please make one change though- when people search 'Drapht' it still comes up as 'Paul Ridge' instead of 'Paul Reid'? I don't mind 'Paul Gary James Ridge' being my birth name. But I would prefer my current name 'Reid' come up as the heading when searched, instead of my 'Ridge'. Cheers. P


 * not certain if I can help you with your problem with search engine issues - hopefully over time that might be resolved - can't promise anything as there are a lot of non- wikipedia articles which use your former name.... Dan arndt (talk) 08:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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