Talk:Draupadi/Archive 1

Text additon with text deletions by User:221.134.234.114
I reverted text addition and text deletions by anon, copyright issues are possible, text is probably too long and the story maybe unencyclopedic. --Alcidebava 19:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Draupadi considered one of the most important female character of the great Indian Epic Poem  Mahabharat. She is considered  the most heroic and tragic Princess of this great Epic. She is the most enigmatic woman in the story. Strong willed and stubborn without forgetting her duty, relentless, unbending. Proud and unassuming, firm and yet gentle. She is all Lady Macbeth.Queen Margaret ,Lady Ann Salome and  Cleopatra. She was the daughter of the king of Panchala King Drupad. Wife and Queen of the five Pandava brothers. Renowned for her exceptional beauty, granite will, and volcanic temperament. This fiery Princess bent on revenge of her enemies; could also be kind and generous. Her strength came from being able to bear all the trails that were put in front of her. Her determination to see justice prevail in the face of evil and wickedness. Her unsurprising commitment to follow the Pandvas in all their misfortunes even exile regardless of being a royal princess of another state makes her as important in this Epic as  Arjun or  Bheem in terms of spirit, valour and virtue. Her story is painful, full of suffering and disgrace yet she took everything in her stride and vanquished all the perpetrators of her humiliation and torment. Having been won by Arjun in an archery contest during the #REDIRECT Pandava's first exile. King Druapad had organised the contest to find her the most valiant and brave husband.All the Kshatriya Princes including Duryodhanwere invited.They had to hit the eye of a fish on a revolving devise on the cealing. The aim however had to be taken looking down at the reflection of the fish in a pond of water on the floor. They all failed. Arjun who had come disguised as a Brahmin won to the consternation of all the Princes, only Sri Krishna who was also present as a guest and Draupadi knew the real identity of the Brahmin. On being taken back to meet his mother Queen Kunti  who was also in exile with her five sons.The queen was distracted when he knocked and said to her "Mother I have brought something."The queen always used to telling her sons to share everything equally replied without looking and told Arjun to share whatever he had brought with his other brothers. She was born from an ablution altarafter Drupad the king of Panchal She was extremely beautiful, with her body smelling like a fresh bloomed lotus. At the time of her birth, a celestial voice had proclaimed: " This unparalleled beauty has taken birth to uproot the Kauravas and established the rule of religion." Because of Shiva's boon in the previous birth, Draupadi got 5 husbands. In a way, Draupadi was the cause of the battle of Mahabharat. An adage says that Yudhishtir had invited the Kauravas to Indraprastha. During the inspection tour of the palace, at one place, Duryodhana got confused and could not differentiate between water and the marble floor and fell in the water. At that scene, the adage says, Draupadi derided at Duryodhana, saying: " Son of a blind would be blind himself". The authentic version of Mahabharat does not support this, though it does mention the hearty laugh. Nevertheless, because of this event and envious of the Pandavas luxuries, Duryodhana decided to humble them and hence proposed them to play a game of dice.

Draupadi was a devotee of Shri Krishna. She was faithful to her husbands also. She had an unshakable faith in Shri Krishna and regarded him as the protector, well- wisher and intimate friend. So when the fiend Dushasana tried to bare her in the Kauravas court and nobody among the present raised a voice against it, Draupadi cried and called out to Sri Krishna to save her grace:

GOVIND DWARAKAWASI KRISHNA GOPI JANA PRIYA | KAURAVAIH PARIBHUTAM MAM KIM NA JANASI KESHAVA ||

Lord Krishna appeared as the clothes of Draupadi. With the kindness of Lord Krishna, Draupadi's sari increased many fold. Dushasana was tired drawing her sari but he could not find the end of it. It was a miracle of the god to save his devotee.

During the exile when Pandavas were in Kamyaka Vana, Duryodhana sent sage Durvasa and his thousand disciples to visit Yudhishtir. His intention was to get the Pandavas cursed by the sage Durvasa. Yudhishtir invited the sage and his disciples to dine, for he was sure that by the virtue of Akshaya Patra, he had received from the sun, they would be able to feed the sage and his disciples. But nobody thought that at that time even Kunti had taken her meal and Akshaya Patra had given them enough. Sage Durvasa went to take a bath in the Ganges. Here in the hut, Draupadi got worried and she again prayed to Krishna to save her:

KRISHNA- KRISHNA MAHA BA HO DEVAR NANDANA VYA YAM | VASUDEVA JAGANNATHA PRANATARTI VINASHANA ||

Hearing the pitiable call from Draupadi, Shri Krishna reached there and ate the single grain of rice in the Akshaya Patra. There at the riverbank, Sage Durvasa and his disciples felt as if they had eaten to their fill, hence they decided to change their course silently.

Draupadi had a marvelous blend of intensity that suits Kshatriyas and forgiveness that fits devotees. She was very intelligent and knowledgeable. When Dushasana was dragging her by the hair to the court, she ridiculed him to show his prowess against her husbands. She also boldly reprimanded the elders present in the court and appealed to them to do justice. She also asked if Yudhishtir had a right to put his wife at stake when he had already lost himself. But no courtier could answer those questions. At last, Duryodhana's brother Vikarna supported Draupadi but Karna derided him and questioned his support for her. Thus, despite being humiliated, Draupadi won morally. Nobody could refute her logic. Eventually, convinced by Vidur, Dhritarashtra scoffed at Duryodhana and asked Draupadi for any boon. But Draupadi simply sought that her husband should at once be freed from slavery. When Dhritarashtra asked her to ask for more boons, she replied that her husbands were strong and capable to win, what they wanted they would do the rest themselves.

Draupadi never forgot that insult, when she heard about a possible pact between the Kauravas and Pandavas, she reminded her husbands of the humiliation and thus encouraged them to fight the Mahabharat war. When Shri Krishna was about to visit Hastinapur for a possible pact, Draupadi came before him with her long hair in her hands and said: " O Lord, if you are going for a pact, alright, go, but please don't forget my hair." She even said that if the Pandavas were reluctant to fight then her brother, aging father and all the sons like Abhimanyu would fight for her dignity.

Once, Lord Krishna came to see the Pandavas in the forests with his wife Satyabhama. At that meeting Satyabhama asked Draupadi as to how she managed to keep her husbands happy and also if she knew some tricks to control her husbands. Draupadi replied that in order to control her husband, a wicked lady would only resort to tricks. " I do all the work as per the wishes of my husbands and try to see that they do not get any pain even in their dreams because of me. I do all the work in time and always obey my husbands. I also serve my mother-in-law respectfully and never argue with her and control myself. I always wake up first and retire to the bed last. So, sister Satyabhama, this is the only way that I know to win favour of my husbands." Thus, we must learn from Draupadi how an ideal wife must behave in the present age.

Even in Kamyaka Vana, when Jayadhrath tried to abduct her forcibly, Draupadi first pushed him very strongly. But he gained his balance and took Draupadi on his chariot forcibly. Later on, Arjuna and Bheema caught him and gave him a good thrashing. But Draupadi gracefully pardoned Jayadhrath. Thus, whoever tried to harass Draupadi met with lot of miseries. The reason behind the destruction of Kauravas in the Mahabharat battle is attributed to Draupadi.

Removed material
I've removed the following from the birth section, since it is not in the standard texts of the MB. the temple Doopeshwar Nath in modern-day Bareilly , needs a reference. Imc (talk) 11:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Added unreferenced tag
This article appears to have a good deal of verifiable text. The prose runs in related sections that could carry a footnote at the end of those sections. It shouldn't be too much work to give the worthwhile content this touch of respectability.

Some of what is said in the closing Polyandry section appears to be original research. Its basic point is important for the article though, so I verified that against a reliable (and famous) source. Alastair Haines (talk) 16:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Historical or mythical?
It's not at all clear to me if this article deals with a historical or mythical person. If it's mythical, this should be noted clearly in the introduction. If it's historical, information such as an (estimated) birth & death date would be extremely useful. 2001:980:82CD:1:249E:CFC8:6AB:52E9 (talk) 20:25, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * She is neither mythical nor historical, she is a legendary character i.e. a mythical character with some notable claims of being historical. As per scholars, Draupadi can be historical but not everything mentioned about her may not be true. For eg. some scholars have claimed that her birth from yajna may be a metaphor to praise her. .💠 245CMR💠 . •👥📜 17:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Major Copy Editing Needed
As a first step, I have taken out a lot of repetitive sections, but many still remain. There is a lot of unsourced that remains as well and the tone is far from encyclopedic. Slowly chipping away at these. Any thoughts on reorganizing the subheadings? Anastomoses (talk) 15:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I have cleaned up a lot of repetitive stuff, removed some ridiculous additions, edited till the section Abduction by Jayadratha, added citations, created or edited some sub sections etc. Will try to edit when I have more time.--India142 (talk) 14:41, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Removed the following section as it doesn't suit wiki and looks more like religious or moral teachings, a lot of POV as well. The citation given is unreliable as it is from a personal blog. so removed both matter & citation

Good work. I am attempting to continue the pruning of the article.Pinkfloyd11 (talk) 03:30, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Quality of mercy and purity
Draupadi told duryodhan to accept his sins on the 17th day of battle and she will save his life even if he insulted her many a time. Draupadi's mercy towards Ashwatthama at such a time is evidence of the purity of her heart. She saw beyond her own pain and forgave Ashwatthama his crime of killing her children for the sake of his mother Kripi. She also, even in the midst of her grief, prevented her husbands from committing a bad deed. She did not want them guilty of killing a Brahmana. She reminded them of their guru Drona and protected Ashwatthama. Draupadi's had a heart of gold. She thought of everyone.

"Much later when Draupadi was asked what hurt the most about losing her children she replied that they died in their sleep. "If they'd been awake my brave sons would have remembered Krishna's name and faced salvation (moksha). Those who remember the Lord at the time of death are granted salvation from this material world. But since my children were asleep, they couldn't do that. They couldn't remember Krishna. That is what hurts the most."

Draupadi's grief was not selfish or focused on her own pain. She thought only of her children and of the fate of their souls. We can learn so much from Draupadi's story. From her compassion. From her love. From her intelligence. Her capacity to forgive was without doubt her greatest strength. She was Krishnā, Krishna's dear one.

--India142 (talk) 10:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Marriage of draupadi
The bow was not pinaka. Pinaka is the personal bow of lord shiva. The contents here added are not according to wiki standards and taken directly out of source. The story of Lord Krishna asking to reject Karna was the mere imagination, and it was recently shown in a tv serial. I am going to revert the edit, also wp:v

Arjunkrishna90 (talk) 03:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Reply
According to the Sambhava Parva, the bow was Pinaka

This source talks about Krishna telling Draupadi to reject Karna: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/iml/iml18.htm

In any case, edit specific issues you have, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Pinkfloyd11 (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * In the reference you provided there is no mention of the word Pinaka. It only says and i quote

"He never revealed his wish to any man, but ere he proclaimed the swayamvara of Draupadi, he thought of the great Pandava archer, and caused to be made a powerful bow which only a strong man could bend and string. For a target he had constructed a strange and curious device: a high pole was erected, and it was surmounted by a golden fish, which was poised above a swiftly-revolving wheel"

Where is the mention of Pinaka. Pinaka is the bow of lord shiva. The article says Drupada  made the bow. How can Drupada be the creator of Pinaka. Drupuda only created a big, heavy and tough bow. It was absloutely not Pinaka

If you have refernce the PROVE IT. Till then the article remains the same and i reverted all your edit

AGAIN where is the Ref to Lord Krishna telling Draupadi to reject Karna .In the Ref you provide its only like this

"At length proud Karna strode forward; he took the bow and bent it and fixed the bowstring. Then he seized an arrow. Drupada and his son were alarmed, fearing he might succeed and claim the bride. Suddenly Draupadi intervened, for she would not have the son of a charioteer for her lord. She said, speaking loudly: "I am a king's daughter, and will not wed with the base-born. "

Dont just vandalise the article with your Imaginations.If you can provide credible authentic references that can be verified then prove it. Till then i will not allow you to Vandalise the article!!

Arjunkrishna90 (talk) 03:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * In any case, edit specific issues you have, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think in your case this is exactly need to be done and its done already!!

Arjunkrishna90 (talk) 03:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Here is the reference: http://www.indianmirror.com/history/mahabharatha/draupadis-swayamvara.htmlPinkfloyd11 (talk)

You can look at the Mahabharata and the Philosophy of Humanity by Srimath Swami Chidbavananda. Pinkfloyd11 (talk) 06:02, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * First things first, when you reply to some one in the TALK page dont add your reply inside in between the other persons comments. If you want to add something, add it under the signed comments by previous user. I rectified your mistakes and cut- pasted your comments to the right way so that when a 3rd party observes they will know it better. I cant always CLEAN UP all your MESS!!!

Please dont just GOOGLE search and throw some references. The both references you provided are unacceptable. Check WP:HISTRS and WP:V

Arjunkrishna90 (talk) 11:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Cleaning up the article
As i noticed this article is dumped with a lot of copy paste contents directly from the source. Many editors made this article a junk by adding his/her POV's and unwanted quotations with least amount of common sense. There was long sentences explaining a lot of junk. Simply cleaned up a lot of stuff to make it look more like an encyclopedic article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjunkrishna90 (talk • contribs) 06:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Nalayani
Draupadi's past life as Nalayani should be included in this article - especially given that life's experiences leading to Draupadi's marriage to the five Pandava brothers. Also reference her (Nalayani's) featured role in Fairest : The Return of the Maharajah. List_of_Fables_charactersPenelope Gordon (talk) 03:59, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of content
Hi there, I don't know if you saw this edit, but an IPv6 editor removed a large portion of sourced prose with no explanation. If you care about the article, you might consider periodically looking for stuff like that in the article's, as it seems rather disruptive when not explained. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Swayamvara
In the article, details of Swayamvara are not mentioned properly. So content is taken from article Arjuna. Even proper sources are mentioned Karna DV (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi ,

This part of the Wiki page has been controversial for a long time, which I have been trying to protect for the past 2 years, if you check the previous talk above this page.

Draupadi's Swayamvar (self-choice ceremony) in the epic Mahabharata has 2-3 variations about the warrior Karna's participation. In popular versions, he is depicted to be rejected by Draupadi. But in older narratives, he failed to string the bow. Critical Edition of Mahabharata has excised the rejection narration. At last prince Arjuna won the contest.

For Draupadi's wiki page, the above info is more than enough. However, user Karna DV is adding extra irrelevant details of fight between Karna and Arjuna, and partially incorrect promotional content of Arjuna's victory and glory which is NOT needed in Draupadi's page. Those are relevant for Karna and Arjunapage only.

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 00:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC))
 * I appreciate that you took the time to comment. I'd prefer not to be part of this discussion, since I don't have familiarity in this subject area., please feel free to respond. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I have replied to you in my talk page. Let's discuss there.

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 00:17, 8 December 2019 (UTC))

Actually mistake was mine. In hurry, I copied and pasted content from article Arjuna. Sorry for that. Now, I made new changes. Please look into that. If its not correct, then without 2nd thought revert it back. Karna DV (talk) 02:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

No problem. :) (Panchalidraupadi (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2019 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020
draupadi-suthanu, samyukthana, pragati, pragya, printha & sumithra (daughter s)

2409:4060:31A:FC4B:27F:D1E:31E1:E990 (talk) 09:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I have rejected this request. Please read the instructions: the request template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request. Brianjd (talk) 10:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requester blocked. Brianjd (talk) 11:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Assessment section
There is a need of an assessment section of Draupadi just like the other members of the Panchakanya. Pls help if you are interested. You have have significantly contributed to Ahilya, Tara (Ramayana), Mandodari, etc. It would be grateful if you help us.

 I know that you are busy in real life, so please try to help whenever you are free. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 17:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

Yes, we can include that. You may refer to Panchakanya book by Pradip Bhattacharya for reference. Portions of his book are available in the form of blog article in his personal blog as well as boloji.com.

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 20:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC))

This is the pdf version  .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 03:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I have the hardcopy as well. I will try to skim through the chapter and add relevant quotes. Please give me some time. :) Panchalidraupadi (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Sure! I will search the novelists' views .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 10:09, 29 December 2020 (UTC)