Talk:Dravidian parties

Good article nomination
Why not submit this for good article nomination ?Taprobanus (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats a good thought, but we may have to do a bit more for a GA. Dravidian parties are not just unique of its kind but congealed out of indigenous ideologies (with a few borrowed concepts). Expanding on the ideology section and propaganda and media aspects, which contributed a great deal for Dravidian politics will surely make it a great nominee for GA. Thats my opinion! I have been working on those points for a while now, but that has caused a heck of a lot to read between work. More ideas and suggestions are welcome. Cheers Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 19:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

International impact
Shouldn't the "International impact" section at least mention the significant role played by the Dravidian parties in the Sri Lankan problem? They've certainly had a bigger impact there than in Malaysia. -- Arvind (talk) 20:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I have added that. Well spotted. Cheers Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 21:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Review
Per recent suggestions about the Good article review process, and to better support ArticleHistory, I have moved all commentary concerning this article's review to a dedicated Good article review subpage. I welcome any and all comments on this review, but please, place them on the subpage. Thank you. Gosgood (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Second GA Review
Per my remarks above, the commentary that used to be here may now be found on the subpage dedicated to the Good Article review. Gosgood (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * Yes, it would be nice to get critical feedback. Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 19:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you write a lot outside of Wikipedia, what kind of writing do you do?
 * Yes again, but not to general public. I write research papers for specialised personnels, which obviously takes for granted that the reader has limited knowledge of the subject area. This may not be very relevant here, but people like me are too used to ENDNOTE and it gets too hard with the inline citation templates. Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 19:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


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 * Not that am aware of! <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 19:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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Restructuring this article
I have a feeling that we may have to restructure this article. After the GA review I think that the overall topic should start with a bit of explaining the so called North South divide as seen by leaders of the Dravidian parties, then proceed on to the rise of Justice Party (India) and the Self-respect movement of Periyar. This I reckon will give a sound base to talk further into the major events of rise the modern days (post independence) Dravidian parties. The history is very much complicates since as the Dravidian parties get stronger and stronger, the borders of the Madras Presidency keeps going down which needs to be mentioned in the article too.

Then comes the task that I'm finding too hard. The ideologies!! The Ideologies keeps evoloving as the parties fragment and with the historical happenings. The North-South divide as per the Dravidian party leaders is the basis of the ideologies of Dravidian identity and the so called Tamilism. So now this would leave the ideologies sections either fragmented into two or the whole ideologies section to preceed the history of the parties. I prefer the former, but suggestions on this are very much welcome.

The third concern is about the list of parties and the navigation box. I am wondering if it would be a good idea to change the navigation box as to stay in the corner of the article rather than as a footer and thereby the list can be avoided. Probably the navigation box can also hold the party flags and symbols, so we can get rid of them from the article too. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 14:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Section on pseudohistory and controversies
What happened all the Kumari Kandam is a cradle of civilization, and the abuse of Hindu figures. It is relevant and notable enough for this article. Trips (talk) 03:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This should be part of Dravidian movement aka Self-respect movement. Yes, Dravidian parties are an outcome of Dravidian movement, but this article is on Dravidian parties and not about the movement. Id est, this article is on the polical parties considered as Dravidian parties. Whereas the antiquated theory of Kumari Kandam which was very much propagated by Devaneya Pavanar was felicitated even under the Congress ruled government in Tamil Nadu. So, Kumari Kandam, although a played a major role in Dravidian movement, it wasn't propagated by Dravidian parties. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 11:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Dravidian parties
Hi all. I'm starting this discussion here on which political parties can be classified as Dravidian parties and which can't. Further to a discussion here I am removing PMK from this article. The question of DMDK is still left open. Comments on this would be very helpful. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 10:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Removing PMK is right, as far as DMDK I think it should be removed as they haven't really shown anything on the Dravidian philosophy, but they do have it in the name...– Spaceman  Spiff  06:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * only the descendents of DK can be Dravidian parties. I would assume that is how the term came into existence. I would therefore argue both PMK and DMDK are not Dravidian paarties. i will look to see if i can find some references. -- Car  Tick  14:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The issue doesn't seem to be as clear as that. Since Vijayakanth himself had said that DMDK is "typical, Dravidian, for-the-Tamils" . He had also given his own interpretation of Dravida Nadu which seems to be inclusive of both Dravidian politics and Indian nationalism . Hindi opposition which had been one unifying stance of all Dravidian parties (DMK with its agitations and MGR with his refusal of Padmashree since it was in Hindi) seems to be not the case with Vijaykanth . The confusion crops in when he says that he wants his party to be an alternative to Dravidian parties. I guess our whole conclusion would be based on how we interpret the last article. Does he mean to say that he is an alternate to the main stream Dravidian parties or just all Dravidian parties? The former would leave room that he calls his party Dravidian too. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 15:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I do not understand what the term "Dravidian parties" actually means, does it refer to parties which follow the Dravidian ideology or simply parties whose names include the word "Dravidar". If the latter was the case, then DMDK would very well qualify as a "Dravidian party"; but I am not sure if the party has any ideology of its own apart from capitalizing on the cult status of Vijayakanth- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 06:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Given these bits and pieces, I'd say leave the DMDK out of here for now and let's consider adding it in if and when scholarly sources (with a reputation within this particular topic) consider the DMDK to be a Dravidian party. – Spaceman  Spiff  20:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean something like this? <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 12:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not exactly, those are the kind of sources that don't know the meaning of these things, the news articles from ToI, HT and even IE or Hindu just use the name and confuse things. – Spaceman  Spiff  17:46, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK guys. I have removed DMDK. <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 00:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Axis powers
The article says in the "Flags" section:
 * Black and Red are the usual colours used, a feature which traces its origin to Periyar's visit to Axis countries, especially Soviet Russia.

This is kinda weird: to the best of my knowledge, Soviet Russia was opposed to the Axis powers and red and black are associated with Nazi Germany, not Russia.

Am i missing something? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It should have been "and" instead of "especially". Statment had been amended. This citation (page 399) in the end of the sentence that follows backs the current statement. <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 09:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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Dravidian parties genealogy
I'm bringing this topic here since some Anglo-American editors seem to think that the Template:DP-genealogy is obstructive. Do any Indian/Tamil editors share this opinion?  Wiki San Roze  †αLҝ 11:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)