Talk:Dreamtime (climb)/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 21:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 04:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Arconning (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Arconning. The comments are very helpful and I think I have responded to them all but just to clarify some things (per below). Look forward to your feedback. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Prose and MoS

 * Italicize article title. Manual of Style/Titles of works


 * Dreamtime boulder, just for clarification it shouldn't be italicized since it's referring to the boulder itself and not the climb, correct?
 * Agreed, it is referring to the boulder.

Infobox and lead

 * Make the coordinates of the location a little less specific, check for a guideline.
 * ✅, is that okay?


 * (33 ft), change to (33-foot).


 * route in climbing history, add a comma at the end.

History

 * softened, softening, unless a proper climbing term, change it to something more formal. Though can use quotes for these terms.
 * ✅, changed to 'lowered' and 'lowering'


 * 'dreamtime', add [sic] template.
 * ✅, have I got that right?


 * The Dagger V14 (8B+), The Dagger, which is graded as V14 (8B+).

Variations

 * German climber Yannick Flohé create, change create to created.


 * but at the crux goes right, but at the crux, he goes right.


 * directly up the boulder, add a comma at the end.


 * Return of the Dreamtime,, remove comma.

Legacy

 * In a 2009 article on Dreamtime, PlanetMountain said: "So beautiful and important, the Dreamtime immediately did as its name suggests, it made everyone dream and, in doing so, it became a reference point for cutting-edge problems, one of the most famous boulders in the world, second perhaps only to Midnight Lightning, freed by Ron Kauk in 1978 at Camp Four in Yosemite.[4] Others have also labeled Dreamtime as being the world's most famous boulder route,[20] often along with Midnight Lightning, and credited it for promoting the development of the sport.[6], where does the quotation end? The references don't support the 2009 article claim.
 * ✅ That was the wrong reference, I have added the correct ref that has the entire sentence as a quote.


 * Climbing, listed Dreamtime and The Story of Two Worlds,, remove unnecessary commas.


 * Repeating Dreamtime became a rite-of-passage for every major boulder climber., add considered.
 * ✅, changed to Repeating Dreamtime is considered a rite-of-passage for major boulder climbers

Ascents

 * No issues on prose and MoS.

Refs

 * Formatted properly.
 * Reference 1 should be changed as it's mainly user generated. Thought it can also be omitted.
 * ❌ 'theCrag' is a very well regarded database of international climbing route (the European version of Mountain Project), which climbers would recognise as authoritive. It is therefore okay to keep this? thanks


 * As I said, it can be omitted. Per Reliable sources, it's okay I guess, since it's not largely user-generated.
 * Understand, thanks.


 * Reference 6 should have the original German title as the title, could put a "trans-title=" template for it. Also specify the language using "lang=de". Also do this with references 22, 25, 27, and 32, with their respective languages and titles.
 * ✅ added "trans-title" and "language" to reference 6; however ❌, do I still need to change their titles to the original language or can I keep the en translated versions?


 * Please use the original titles alongside the translated titles. See reference 2 on Laufey (singer) for a guide.
 * ✅, hopefully I have got that right.


 * Reference 11 needs to use the archived version, link leads to updated website and not the source.
 * ✅, replaced that with a new reference that has Hojer's original quote.

Spotchecks

 * Earwig and manual check is okay, pass. Earwig just picks up quotes.

Images

 * Images are relevant and have proper licensing.

Misc

 * No ongoing edit war, broad and focused on the topic.
 * Here are my comments, hope they can be addressed!
 * , please check the remainder of my comments on Refs. Also italicize the name of the climb in the infobox, my apologies.
 * , have made alll those suggested changes now. thanks.
 * Congrats on the new GA!
 * Excellent - thank you so much !