Talk:Drink/Archive 1

Are juices considered soft drinks?
If not I think juices should be included as its own category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.117.169 (talk) 21:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

in my opinion, juice is soft drinks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.210.72.138 (talk) 01:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment 1
Is squash (drink) a type of punch (drink)? If so, should they be merged?  &mdash;msh210 23:32, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * No. Squash isn't a mixed drink. 66.92.237.111 01:22, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Comment 2
What about soft drinks? Shouldn't we have all drinks here?

Hi. Ther e Is Soft DRinks In Articlle Here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk) 22:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

edited 08/2006
Changed "et al" to "etc." throughout. The latin "et al" refers only to persons. 128.112.146.190 15:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

List
Shouldn't we make list of drinks and move all the examples there? This article is awful list-y when it potentially could not be. 165.138.96.4 16:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean make a list of drinks as a new, separate article?

Also, I have several complaints about the "hot beverages" section of the list. 1) Frappe: based on my experience of it as a milkshake in New England, and having read the entry on the Greek frappe, I don't believe it's ever a hot drink (although, I have no idea if or how Starbucks and the like may be using the term frappe nowadays). 2) Iced coffee is not a hot drink. 3) Teas, in addition to being drunk hot are commonly served iced. (And, in my experience, they can also be served at room temperature, e.g., unchilled "sun tea").Mystiree 14:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)Mystiree

I concur wrt making a list of drinks. I wanted to check on claims that milk and tea were two of the most popular drinks in the world, but wikipedia doesn't appear to have the information anywhere. There are ordered lists for bridges, buildings, cities, etc so why not drinks? Instead of this article trying to describe individual drinks we would have classes of drinks here and would then let people read the descriptions from the individual pages for each of the drinks instead of repeating information already held elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.46.220 (talk) 19:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a list of non-alcoholic drinks at Non-alcoholic beverage. I have expanded it as far as possible buit am trying to clarify if that page is only supposed to be for reduced / low-alcohol or drinks that normally contain alcohol. I don't think it should be but need some clarification. Double Happiness (talk) 12:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

What?
Where on Earth do people call the Ocean a drink? or Where do people "DRINK in the atmosphere" TAKE IN perhaps. When terms like this are used we should indicate WHERE they are supposedly used, therefore we can find out if this is actually accurate. Arthurian Legend 16:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have heard both of these uses on many occasions; they seemed completely familiar to me when I read them in this article. I can't say when I first or last heard them, but I'd say probably throughout my life of 58 years. I have always lived in the northern United States: Michigan, New England, and Oregon. I believe both of these examples are in common usage throughout the northern U.S. and possibly elsewhere. Mystiree 14:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Mystiree

The ocean is not called A drink, but THE drink. To fall into the drink, to fall off a boat, into the ocean. They're just idioms, for Christ's sake, don't be a prick. 68.98.50.49 16:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The use of "drink" in this manner is chiefly British ("Blimey, Inspector -- the bloke dove into the drink and I lost him!"). I don't know if it's really common any more. Cranston Lamont 03:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Kava, the famous social beverage of Oceania, and similar beverages are not mentioned: i.e, beverages that aren't alcoholic but which are "more" than water-, milk-,or infusion- based beverages. Woilorio (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't iced tea NOT be on hot beverages?
The hot beverages list is all screwed up. I suggest we change that to brewed beverages, or infused beverages. --Vehgah 21:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
One of the few Wikipedia articles to be cited in a court case: - the wording is "To support this assertion, the Department submits the following definitions of “beverage” as found in various dictionaries and similar sources".

Naming conventions suggest "article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." There is a preference for the noun over the verb. The least ambiguous noun term for liquid consumed by humans is "beverage". The current term "drink" can be mistaken for drinking, and - at times - various editors have tried to edit the article with that confusion in mind, and others have then attempted to clarify that this article is about the liquid consumed, rather than the act of drinking, while others have introduced notions of "drinking in the atmosphere", etc. The article needs the clarity of being named simply and unambiguously about its topic. I propose that Drink be renamed as Beverage.

As Beverage is currently a redirect to this article, this is not a straightforward move and requires support before being carried out.  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

not to move --Lox (t,c) 08:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Drink → Beverage — For reasons of simple clarity, ease of use, and to avoid confusion and ambiguity. —  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Support for the reasons given above.  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose. Drink is a much more well-known term. Georgia guy (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Drink is a far more common term; Beverage is pretentious. We'd never speak of the 12th man carrying the beverages, or ask someone would you like a beverage. Andrewa (talk) 03:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Beverage" is not a common name compared with "drink". --DeLarge (talk) 15:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Support May not be common, wait, yes it is it's listed at evry McDonald's I've been to and every other resturant I've been to. Nevertheless, i support the reason stated for the move.--72.186.91.47 (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and Andrewa --Lox (t,c) 19:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

comment - just because it's not spoken commonly doesn't mean it's not common.--72.186.91.47 (talk) 07:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Definition of beverage regarding water
I've edited the page to take the conflicting definitions of 'beverage' and whether or not it includes water into account. The issue is nicely investigated and summarised by the court case Wikipedia was cited in, which you can read here around pages 5 - 9. --78.151.155.177 (talk) 22:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Suicides
Not too sure where to put this, but are suicides not big enough for at least a note? If it's jsut that only the few people I know drink them, pardon my question. (And by suicide, I mean a drink amde up of others, such as one made of Coke, Sprite, and 7-UP mixed into one container. NOT the self-killing suicide.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.108.164.67 (talk) 19:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

DEfe
Hi. THe Basic Defenition A Liquid For Drinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, So When You Go TO REstauramnt You Can Ask For Drink Or BEvarage.? I Think You Can Accord To The Articlle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk) 22:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

TOp
Hi. Why Does A PErsOn Say When You Drink Beer Pops In You r Head. Is It Remindeer Or Stuff. Answer The Important Question. Thankk You.

Hi Cause Drink Is Not About BEer. Okay. Just REminder.

Hi I Think I Remove From Soft Drinks Fruit Punch. I Do Not Think It Is Soft Drink.

WAtEr
Hi For Water It Said Water Is Not A Beverage.Can You Make Sure Of It. Ithink It Is Wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk) 22:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

DRink
Hi I Do Not THink Milk Is Soft Drinkk. I Remove IT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk) 22:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

non-alcoholic-beverages / soft drinks
I have a couple of problems with this page, I think it is pretty misleading and contradictory and really doesn't help the organisation of other pages at all.
 * "The term "soft drink" specifies the absence of alcohol in contrast to "hard drink" and "drink".

That's funny, because clicking on the soft drink article, we see that "A soft drink (also called soda, pop, soda pop, or carbonated beverage) is a non-alcoholic beverage that typically contains carbonated water, a sweetening agent, and a flavoring agent." That's exactly what I thought! Soft drink = fizzy juice. That's what most English speakers understand by the term, I would say. I know the British Soft Drinks Association include retail of bottled water in their remit but surely that is more of a commercial convenience as bottled water is to be found sold alongside carbonated beverages. I may be wrong but I would have said the definition of soft drink was to do with CO2 and some form of sweetener. Again, I am incredulous at this statement. As far as I'm concerned a non-alcoholic drink is a drink that doesn't contain alcohol. I've never thought to define the term any other way. A drink that usually contains alcohol I would perhaps describe as 'reduced alcohol', 'low-alcohol', or possibly 'alcohol free' as it may be described on packaging / advertising etc., but it's a much more distinct category than non-alcoholic in my view. There's evidence for this view looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Non-alcoholic_beverages. Here we see the entire gamut of non-alcoholic drinks from tea, coffee, juice, milk, sports drinks, from Accelarade through to Yuja hwachae, they're all in there.
 * "Non-alcoholic beverages are drinks that usually contain alcohol, such as beer and wine, but contain less than 0.5% alcohol by volume."

I have already extended the page on non-alcoholic drinks to include all the available articles I can find on n.a. drinks. I considered this to be a really useful reference for anyone looking to gather info. about drinks for those who doesn't take alcohol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Non-alcoholic_beverages is after all a list of Wiki pages, not of drinks. And there's no attempt to distinguish between brands and traditional concotions, which is really important in my view. Any thoughts about any of this? Thanks for any advice. Double Happiness (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

8 oz. serving size
8 oz glasses are missing in the list for the US. Often referred to as a "small glass" Please add. 99.11.160.111 (talk) 07:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Big plans!
Hello all,

Myself and WormTT are planning to have a go at this article and trying to make it a bit broader than a list of types of drinks. If anyone has any good references that they feel would be useful when describing the term 'drink' (or, as discussed on the talk page 'beverage'); we would much appreciate it! Also, please keep an eye on this talk page as we may be requesting help with certain aspects which we don't have knowledge about.

Thanks very much ツStacey (talk) 17:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)