Talk:Drinking culture/Archives/2014

Cocktail Glass
The line


 * Martini glass (more properly a Cocktail glass) - inverted cone with a long stem; used for martinis

would be better off highlighting the fact that it is traditionally called a Cocktail glass, but is informally known as a Martini glass.

Additionally, the low-ball glass one should have an added note that it is informally known as an Old Fashioned glass XagaEnergon (talk) 09:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

This sentence
Is hilariously bad:

"University students have a reputation for engaging in binge drinking, especially in the USA and even more so in the UK and Ireland, as well as generally throughout Northern Europe, Canada and Australia; participants include university athletes, fraternities, and sororities, particularly after final examinations, varsity wins and during spring break."

Especially in the USA, but even MORE especially in every other country... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.64.69.67 (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

In the same vein: "Free drinks can assume an almost mystical status in the minds of everyday people, who are accustomed to paying for their drinks."

The entire "Free Drinks" section is so bad it begins to take on "Camp" value. While this is inappropriate for Wikipedia, I still can't bring myself to remove it. It's so bad, it's good. Schlemazl (talk) 16:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Alcohol Tolerance
Under "binge drinking", this sentence doesn't entirely ring true to me:

''The major exception to this generalization is that of alcohol tolerance in alcoholics who develop tolerance for the effects of alcohol. Therefore, an alcoholic who is legally intoxicated may show no clinical signs of intoxication.''

It implies that a person with a blood alcohol level of, say, 0.15% will be perfectly capable of handling a motor vehicle so long as he is an established alcoholic. This flies in the face of research and experience -- that kind of person merely THINKS he's OK to drive. Guernseykid 07:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It actually is only stating that to an outside observer it may be difficult to determine the level of intoxication of an alcoholic. It is not saying that the person is not impaired of should be driving. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Therauck (talk • contribs) 16:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

That's an excellent edit by David Justin. Guernseykid 17:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Guernseykid.David Justin 01:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Other talk

 * Given its continuing popularity today and the failure of most Prohibitions, it is presumed that the act of drinking will remain a part of human life interminably.

The above sentence, even with the "it is presumed that" that I added, could be seen as speculation. Can anyone suggest an improvement? --Sam
 * Changed to "...drinking may remain a part of human life" Andy Mabbett 11:47, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * I prefer, "...drinking may remain a part of human nature." There is some evidence that intoxication is part of an unconsicous psychological drive to alter consciousness.  Animals will intoxicate themselves in the wild, so perhaps some comments on animal behavior would be appropriate as well. --Viriditas 09:50, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

To quench thirst? The article is talking specifically about drinking alcohol, so I'm not sure if that really applies. Cogibyte 16:46, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * You've never had a cold beer on a hot day? How unfortunate! Andy Mabbett 17:35, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm not sure binge drinking and drinking to get drunk are wholly synonymous. The former implies sort of a college student style "lots of shots of vodka in a small period of time", while the latter can be done in manners that aren't as binge-like. For example, many people go to bars intending to get drunk, but having, say, seven or eight beers over the course of an evening isn't really the same as "binge drinking", at least in the sense I understand the two terms. Perhaps usage elsewhere varies from what I'm accustomed to? --Delirium 21:45, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)

Original research
Some of this article smacks of Original research, which is specifically against the encyclopedic standards of wikipedia. Will someone please revise? (or else I will have to) Example: Similarly, free drinks can assume an almost mystical status in the minds of everyday people, who are accustomed to paying for their drinks. Is this a commonly known fact? Are you Jane Goodall making observations of drinkers? User:MPS


 * Yes, an article on free drinks that was at least 50% a joke was merged here. I removed a lot of the especially silly stuff, but the text still needs a good revision. Everyking 20:02, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * "people drink for one of five reasons" While I like the 'five reasons' classification, I wonder whether this is just made up. I personally think there are six reasons.User:MPS

Have any Dutch wikipedians actually heard of this custom?
"A free drink is often a way of saying thank you as well. In Canadian culture it is a well known fact that when in a bar in Holland, the natives will often buy Canadians free drinks for the role their nation played in liberating their country during World War II. This is often thought to be one of the reasons why many Americans wear the Canadian flag while on vacation in Europe."
 * I agree, sounds like bullshit.

Article merge
I have merged the article Alcohol expectancies into this one. aliceinlampyland 11:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC).

(OED, American Heritage Dictionary)
Clean up the reference please.100110100 04:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I hate people who drink alcohol.
All of them are horrible, sick-minded people who ignore every aspect of their health. As a person who doesn't drink, I am truly offended that people would take the time to shorten their lifespans. These people need to just fucking die.--72.65.197.105 23:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hahah, this guy just never quits. --Liface 02:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Time for a pint...Gareth E Kegg 09:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Those sorts of insulting generalisations have no place here. I know plenty of people who drink alcohol, yet keep an eye on their diet and perform such regular exercises as jogging, swimming etc. To say that they are "sick-minded people who ignore every aspect of their health" is therefore, if I may say so, fucking barmy. Plus, your accusation that they should all just die removes any validity from your argument, and you lose the right to push your opinion here. Iwan Berry 14:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

it is an addiction
I deleted 'so called' from in front of 'addiction' at the beginning of the second section. Alcoholism is absolutely an addiction - it alters your brain chemistry, and to say it's only a so-called addiction sounds like the ramblings of an alcoholic in denial. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.58.73.221 (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Prove it.--68.9.238.59 (talk) 03:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

CHASER
ive always found it used to describe a weaker drink following a stronger one - but apparently its not. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.25.45 (talk) 09:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * i edited this section (my first edit) with a reference to merriam-webster, which clearly indicates that a weak drink chases a strong one. Timothy.lucas.jaeger (talk) 06:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems this might be a UK/US divide issue - in Britain a chaser generally, though not universally, refers to a shot following a beer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.167.122 (talk) 19:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Purpose of drinking
This section is pretty ridiculous. The "Purpose of drinking"...?!

Well anyway I read somewhere [citation needed] that in the middle ages alcoholic drinks provided a degree of safety against water-bourne diseases (e.g. cholera) due to the antiseptic property of alchohol and were drunk for this reason. This "purpose" is probably as valid as any other in the list. 68.101.160.213 (talk) 03:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Multiple issues—references, regional bias, stereotyping, trivia, etc.

 * This article is full of unreferenced statements—the "Purpose of drinking" section is particularly bad. Let's see some citations for those assertions, or alternatively, start pruning them. Improvement is particularly necessary because this section reinforces several negative stereotypes without justification. Also, there is a huge western cultural bias here. We might rework the article as "Western drinking culture", or instead try to add more information to cover the topic from a worldwide perspective. And finally, what are the list of drinking glasses and list of drinking terms doing here? The terms belong on Urban Dictionary, or at best Wiktionary. (If there's the will to make an article or expanded section to discuss those terms, then that might be a credible alternative too.) The list of glasses is pointless without a discussion of their significance (esp. in drinking culture). I'm going to tag the article for improvements, but it seems that this article just needs a big rework. TheFeds 00:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

THE FIRST COUPLE SENTANCES
it says drinking alcohol was documented in the bible. There are references to wine, which did not contain alcohol at the time. It was basically juice from grapes, not fermented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.174.217.149 (talk) 02:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I hate this argument. Wine in the Bible is real wine. How could Lot's daughters have gotten him drunk on unfermented juice? (Genesis 19:31-35) Rugbyhelp (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Parts copied
Parts of this article are copied from Greaves' Rules, in particuler the reference to Kate Fox. Please do you own research. Writing encyclopaedias does not consist of recycling other people's stuff! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.9.40 (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)